A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed. There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none. And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

I don't understand when people say this. Do people think teachers are going to just start blasting students all the time?

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

School employees, not just teachers.  Even if none carried, the would-be shooter wouldn't know that.  Just the fact that many school employees COULD be carrying would be a deterrent.

I trust teachers and other school employees to protect themselves and their students more than I trust a cop to do so.

(06-07-2022, 12:20 PM)wydileie Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

I don't understand when people say this. Do people think teachers are going to just start blasting students all the time?

No, of course not. But, Iâ€ve seen teachers at wits end and say and do stupid things out of professional character. ( colleague yelled in the hallway once, “I hate black girls”, former colleague I should say) All it takes is a teacher brandishing it one time, and the system fails.

Iâ€ve seen teachers so flustered they arenâ€t coherent.

Iâ€ve seen students threaten smaller teachers.

Security of the weapon is paramount. If Iâ€m carrying, I canâ€t break up a fight or put myself in a situation where it can be taken. It shouldnâ€t show, and should be a secret, but, teachers have loose lips.

Honestly, for me, itâ€s the added responsibility that works add to the normal pressures of my day.

Im all for it if they are district issued weapons with biolocks, 96 hours of training, yearly psych evaluation, and range certification every semester.


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(06-07-2022, 02:35 PM)Georgem80 Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:20 PM)wydileie Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

I don't understand when people say this. Do people think teachers are going to just start blasting students all the time?

No, of course not. But, Iâ€ve seen teachers at wits end and say and do stupid things out of professional character. ( colleague yelled in the hallway once, “I hate black girls”, former colleague I should say) All it takes is a teacher brandishing it one time, and the system fails.

Iâ€ve seen teachers so flustered they arenâ€t coherent. 

Iâ€ve seen students threaten smaller teachers. 

Security of the weapon is paramount.  If Iâ€m carrying, I canâ€t break up a fight or put myself in a situation where it can be taken. It shouldnâ€t show, and should be a secret, but, teachers have loose lips.

Honestly, for me, itâ€s the added responsibility that works add to the normal pressures of my day.

Im all for it if they are district issued weapons with biolocks, 96 hours of training, yearly psych evaluation, and range certification every semester.


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Biolocks on guns are unreliable. 

96 hours of training? For what, going to war? You can't even fill 8 hours for a CCW class. The information is so basic and common sense, that 6 hours of it is already fluff. I can't even imagine what 96 hours of training would look like.

Psych evals are pointless and unreliable. Psychology is pseudo science. It's such a joke in the scientific community its literally being called an epidemic.

Range certification I'm on board for.

Point gun. Pull trigger. Simple. So simple even a child can do it.

(06-07-2022, 09:04 AM)wydileie Wrote: Not sure why people think teachers need all this training to carry. No one is asking them to roam the halls to track down the shooter and take them out. They just barricade behind some desks, wait for the perp to come through the door with their gun fixated on the door, and then shoot. Itâ€s not really so complicated.

Leftists and rinos are a different breed, they don't realize that bad guys with zero gun training have killed more people than smallpox, but I'm supposed to train like a navy seal if I want to carry at a grocery store.

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(06-07-2022, 10:16 AM)TcSoup Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 09:09 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: The deterrence factor is being overlooked but it is huge.  Most legitimate mass shootings occur in places where the shooter knows he will meet little resistance because everyone has been disarmed. 

Like the 50 mowed down in the Nigerian Catholic Church over the weekend. And yes Wife and i both generally carry in church sadly.

Me too, its a confort to myself and my family/friends knowing that we have a tool that could possibly protect us.

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(06-07-2022, 03:04 PM)davebucknut Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 09:04 AM)wydileie Wrote: Not sure why people think teachers need all this training to carry. No one is asking them to roam the halls to track down the shooter and take them out. They just barricade behind some desks, wait for the perp to come through the door with their gun fixated on the door, and then shoot. Itâ€s not really so complicated.

Leftists and rinos are a different breed, they don't realize that bad guys with zero gun training have killed more people than smallpox, but I'm supposed to train like a navy seal if I want to carry at a grocery store.

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Exactly, some 13 year old gang members manage to walk around with weapons and shoot each other, but a 30 something adult needs many hours of training to learn not to point guns at people? Silly.

(06-07-2022, 02:04 PM)K9Buck Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

School employees, not just teachers.  Even if none carried, the would-be shooter wouldn't know that.  Just the fact that many school employees COULD be carrying would be a deterrent.

This 100%.  Not knowing who is going to put your lights out at any time should keep the riff raff out of the schools.  They will not have the stones to go into a potentially armed situation where any one of a hundred people may put them permanently to sleep.

(06-07-2022, 12:20 PM)wydileie Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

I don't understand when people say this. Do people think teachers are going to just start blasting students all the time?

Itâ€s a MAY thing.   I donâ€t think the number will be big, but they will only need one bad teacher

(06-07-2022, 03:14 PM)dunefan Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 02:04 PM)K9Buck Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 12:08 PM)TroyKidd Wrote:

(06-07-2022, 11:31 AM)K9Buck Wrote: A would-be shooter wouldn't know how many are armed or who is armed.  There are many semi-automatic pistols that are small and can be easily carried without any problem.

but what teacher will WANT to?   Almost none.  And those that do want to… may not be the one you want with a gun

School employees, not just teachers.  Even if none carried, the would-be shooter wouldn't know that.  Just the fact that many school employees COULD be carrying would be a deterrent.

This 100%.  Not knowing who is going to put your lights out at any time should keep the riff raff out of the schools.  They will not have the stones to go into a potentially armed situation where any one of a hundred people may put them permanently to sleep.

Ya good point

The training hasnâ€t been developed yet. It would have to be campus and district specific. Schools are built differently. Like most curricula it would have to be created using experts as advisors. It would have to go more local than even state. (Perhaps a state skeleton adapted locally)

You are guys are confusing. Many of you donâ€t trust people with literally 2-4 decades of studying their subject to teach their subject, yet you balk at two weeks or so of training for the same teacher to carry a gun around your kids?

Psychology is a social science. So, anyone claiming differently is wrong.


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