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Tress and Meyer both Won NC by end of year 3 with a lot of the other guys players.
Meyer took ownership of the whole program for good or bad.
He went after the WR's Room year one and then the LB'ers Room . Both sides of the ball he got his nose involved.
But of course his baby special teams at times where a S.S and a head scratcher.
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(01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Bottom line, this is what coaches who are not meeting expectations do. Time will tell if the problem is Day or his staff. Day is the best offensive coach in football. Hopefully the d additions will get us back to the top.
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(01-14-2022, 10:17 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:14 AM)wydileie Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:05 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:57 AM)wydileie Wrote: Day isnâ€t a defensive coach, not sure how the problem could be him.
I am not saying the problem is Day but it could be. I have seen it in other programs where the head coach turned his staff over every year and it didn't change anything. They were just scapegoats. The head coach was so ineffective and dysfunctional it affected every phase of the program. The assistants could have been Belichick and Saban and it wouldn't matter. I mean, I guess. If it were the offense struggling with Day being an offensive coach, I could see that. But Day is pretty hands off the defense, so he needs the defensive coaches to do their job for him to be successful. All he can hope for is to make the right hires for that. Urban screwed that up, as well. Heck, Saban is the only one who's really been able to consistently make good enough hires time and time again to stay at that elite level, which is why he's the GOAT, or else extremely lucky with his hires. As a defensive coach, even Saban took a long time to come around to spread offenses.
Like I said, I have seen situations where the head coach was such a mess in terms of over all organization and leadership, creating a bad environment that it was not possible for the assistants to be effective. Not saying that is the case here but only time will tell. Yeah that†s not Day.
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(01-14-2022, 05:15 PM)Dzone1 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Bottom line, this is what coaches who are not meeting expectations do. Time will tell if the problem is Day or his staff. Day is the best offensive coach in football. Hopefully the d additions will get us back to the top. Idk if he is the absolute best, but he definitely is up there in the top 2 or 3 (who the others are i couldn't say), but with an above average defense, say top 30 or so, we should be able to beat anyone.
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I would say Day is far and away the best offensive coach in football. His ability to groom QBs has been second to none, which is the most important part of any offense. The others I would put at honorable mention would be Lincoln Riley, Warren Ruggiero (Wake Forest), and Jamie Chadwell (Coastal Carolina).
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(01-14-2022, 10:23 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:18 AM)wydileie Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:14 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:08 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not meeting expectations…..
3 years. 2 playoff appearances….one playoff game win, should be two. 2-1 record against Michigan. On that topic, 1 big ten loss. A rose bowl win.
Only if the expectations are so out there that any sign of weakness is a sign of the apocalypse
And trending downward by year 3. Don't forget that he took over a program that was arguably the second best in the country. He is firing staff for a reason. Like I said during the season. The jury is still out on Day. The program is still, at worst, 3rd best in the country. Such a silly statement. It's not like Urban or Saban hasn't ever lost two games. The last year Urban was here we had a garbage defense, and got demolished by Purdue. PURDUE. Itâ€s a ridiculously silly statement. Recruiting in top 4…..#2 by per player rating……11-2 season…..stupid.Â
yes, the defense needed adjustment. And thatâ€s what heâ€s doing. I got the Coombs hire, I understand the concept of keeping him due to circumstances….and Day was spot on in making the changes. Day may have a ton to learn as a HC, but I wouldnâ€t trade him for anyone in the country , even a 70 year old Saban. Iâ€d rather have an extremely talented 38 year old who is still learning than a 70 year old that has a couple years left. And no Iâ€m not saying Day is a better coach today than Saban. No kidding. When Urban was Day†s age he was still coaching at Utah. Saban was the Browns DC.  Neither had come anywhere near a NC game.
Day is still learning and growing as a HC, and managing a staff on the other side of the ball is part of that. Given that tOSU went to the NC game in 20†, it would have a bad, bad look to clean out the entire defensive staff. He wound up doing that anyway when he demoted Coombs after the Oregon game.Â
Rumor had it that Day asked Washington to stick around and take over DL coaching when Johnson retires, but Washington wasn†t interested, so Day brought in an extra veteran DB coach, b/c Knowles is handling the LBs himself.
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(01-14-2022, 06:11 PM)wydileie Wrote: I would say Day is far and away the best offensive coach in football. His ability to groom QBs has been second to none, which is the most important part of any offense. The others I would put at honorable mention would be Lincoln Riley, Warren Ruggiero (Wake Forest), and Jamie Chadwell (Coastal Carolina). My only issue with his offense is we can get away from running the ball sometimes when we should be pounding the rock.
For example we didn't use treyveyon Henderson enough, he'd get 2 or 3 carries and then a backup would give him a breather
Maybe he didn't have the stamina, idk
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(01-14-2022, 05:15 PM)Dzone1 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Bottom line, this is what coaches who are not meeting expectations do. Time will tell if the problem is Day or his staff. Day is the best offensive coach in football. Hopefully the d additions will get us back to the top.
I guess some would say having a 5 star player at nearly every position makes coaching a lot easier. Few coaches will ever inherit the level of talent he did and he ran with it. The issue is can he maintain it? Time will tell. Based on comments on here, he did not meet expectations this season.
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(01-14-2022, 06:30 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 05:15 PM)Dzone1 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Bottom line, this is what coaches who are not meeting expectations do. Time will tell if the problem is Day or his staff. Day is the best offensive coach in football. Hopefully the d additions will get us back to the top.
I guess some would say having a 5 star player at nearly every position makes coaching a lot easier. Few coaches will ever inherit the level of talent he did and he ran with it. The issue is can he maintain it? Time will tell. Based on comments on here, he did not meet expectations this season. Offensively yes but defensively no.
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Heâ€s not just maintained it. He took urbans high standard of recruiting and upped the quality.
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(01-14-2022, 07:02 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Heâ€s not just maintained it. He took urbans high standard of recruiting and upped the quality.
Too early to say that.
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(01-14-2022, 07:26 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 07:02 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Heâ€s not just maintained it. He took urbans high standard of recruiting and upped the quality.
Too early to say that. 3 classes isn†t too early….consistently top 4. Top 2 in avg value
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