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(01-14-2022, 07:09 AM)PtreeCornersBuckeye Wrote: (01-13-2022, 10:19 PM)zigbee Wrote: (01-13-2022, 10:01 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: (01-13-2022, 09:53 PM)Bonebuck Wrote: (01-13-2022, 09:40 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Barnes kind of a mystery to me. Â I thought he was mostly an improvement, sans the UM game. Â Utah a whole other ball of wax since we had so many guys out Barnes was thrown to the lions after Day demoted Coombs. Barnes was in way over his head. Why Day appointed Coombs DC was a head scratcher.
Coombs seems to be tailor made for a position coach. I always liked his enthusiasm. D coordinator, OTOH, was clearly not in his wheelhouse. Coombs was with Tennessee iirc in NFL as a coordinator?  Incredible he comes BACK to college football and sucked.  God, they love this guy on Bill Cunningham show on WLW.....KERRY COOMBS! Cincy Boi... He was only the secondary coach in Tennessee, which was in his wheelhouse, and he did well. DC (as Scarlett said) was just too much. From what I have heard Vrabel was fine with him leaving- meaning that he felt he could get someone better.
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Bottom line, this is what coaches who are not meeting expectations do. Time will tell if the problem is Day or his staff.
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Day isnâ€t a defensive coach, not sure how the problem could be him. Sometimes things just donâ€t pan out. We had the best offense in the country, and will almost certainly repeat that next year. If we have a top 30 defense, we should be an odds on favorite to make the NCG. Since we have an incredibly difficult schedule, we should get the #1 seed if we run the table.
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(01-14-2022, 09:57 AM)wydileie Wrote: Day isnâ€t a defensive coach, not sure how the problem could be him.
I am not saying the problem is Day but it could be. I have seen it in other programs where the head coach turned his staff over every year and it didn't change anything. They were just scapegoats. The head coach was so ineffective and dysfunctional it affected every phase of the program. The assistants could have been Belichick and Saban and it wouldn't matter.
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Not meeting expectations…..
3 years. 2 playoff appearances….one playoff game win, should be two. 2-1 record against Michigan. On that topic, 1 big ten loss. A rose bowl win.
Only if the expectations are so out there that any sign of weakness is a sign of the apocalypse
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(01-14-2022, 10:08 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not meeting expectations…..
3 years. 2 playoff appearances….one playoff game win, should be two. 2-1 record against Michigan. On that topic, 1 big ten loss. A rose bowl win.
Only if the expectations are so out there that any sign of weakness is a sign of the apocalypse
And trending downward by year 3. Don't forget that he took over a program that was arguably the second best in the country. He is firing staff for a reason. Like I said during the season. The jury is still out on Day.
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(01-14-2022, 10:05 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:57 AM)wydileie Wrote: Day isnâ€t a defensive coach, not sure how the problem could be him.
I am not saying the problem is Day but it could be. I have seen it in other programs where the head coach turned his staff over every year and it didn't change anything. They were just scapegoats. The head coach was so ineffective and dysfunctional it affected every phase of the program. The assistants could have been Belichick and Saban and it wouldn't matter. I mean, I guess. If it were the offense struggling with Day being an offensive coach, I could see that. But Day is pretty hands off the defense, so he needs the defensive coaches to do their job for him to be successful. All he can hope for is to make the right hires for that. Urban screwed that up, as well. Heck, Saban is the only one who's really been able to consistently make good enough hires time and time again to stay at that elite level, which is why he's the GOAT, or else extremely lucky with his hires. As a defensive coach, even Saban took a long time to come around to spread offenses when it was clear that was what was needed to be successful moving forward.
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(01-14-2022, 10:14 AM)wydileie Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:05 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 09:57 AM)wydileie Wrote: Day isnâ€t a defensive coach, not sure how the problem could be him.
I am not saying the problem is Day but it could be. I have seen it in other programs where the head coach turned his staff over every year and it didn't change anything. They were just scapegoats. The head coach was so ineffective and dysfunctional it affected every phase of the program. The assistants could have been Belichick and Saban and it wouldn't matter. I mean, I guess. If it were the offense struggling with Day being an offensive coach, I could see that. But Day is pretty hands off the defense, so he needs the defensive coaches to do their job for him to be successful. All he can hope for is to make the right hires for that. Urban screwed that up, as well. Heck, Saban is the only one who's really been able to consistently make good enough hires time and time again to stay at that elite level, which is why he's the GOAT, or else extremely lucky with his hires. As a defensive coach, even Saban took a long time to come around to spread offenses.
Like I said, I have seen situations where the head coach was such a mess in terms of over all organization and leadership, creating a bad environment that it was not possible for the assistants to be effective. Not saying that is the case here but only time will tell.
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(01-14-2022, 10:14 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:08 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not meeting expectations…..
3 years. 2 playoff appearances….one playoff game win, should be two. 2-1 record against Michigan. On that topic, 1 big ten loss. A rose bowl win.
Only if the expectations are so out there that any sign of weakness is a sign of the apocalypse
And trending downward by year 3. Don't forget that he took over a program that was arguably the second best in the country. He is firing staff for a reason. Like I said during the season. The jury is still out on Day. The program is still, at worst, 3rd best in the country. Such a silly statement. It's not like Urban or Saban hasn't ever lost two games. The last year Urban was here we had a garbage defense, and got demolished by Purdue. PURDUE.
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(01-14-2022, 10:17 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Like I said, I have seen situations where the head coach was such a mess in terms of over all organization and leadership, creating a bad environment that it was not possible for the assistants to be effective. Not saying that is the case here but only time will tell.
Obviously assistants can be effective under Day. He hired Hafley who took our garbage defense from 2018 and made us the #1 defense in the country in 2019. For all intents and purposes, we should have won the NC that year, except for some mitigating circumstances.
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(01-14-2022, 10:18 AM)wydileie Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:14 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:08 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Not meeting expectations…..
3 years. 2 playoff appearances….one playoff game win, should be two. 2-1 record against Michigan. On that topic, 1 big ten loss. A rose bowl win.
Only if the expectations are so out there that any sign of weakness is a sign of the apocalypse
And trending downward by year 3. Don't forget that he took over a program that was arguably the second best in the country. He is firing staff for a reason. Like I said during the season. The jury is still out on Day. The program is still, at worst, 3rd best in the country. Such a silly statement. It's not like Urban or Saban hasn't ever lost two games. The last year Urban was here we had a garbage defense, and got demolished by Purdue. PURDUE. It†s a ridiculously silly statement. Recruiting in top 4…..#2 by per player rating……11-2 season…..stupid.Â
yes, the defense needed adjustment. And that†s what he†s doing. I got the Coombs hire, I understand the concept of keeping him due to circumstances….and Day was spot on in making the changes. Day may have a ton to learn as a HC, but I wouldn†t trade him for anyone in the country , even a 70 year old Saban. I†d rather have an extremely talented 38 year old who is still learning than a 70 year old that has a couple years left. And no I†m not saying Day is a better coach today than Saban.
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(01-14-2022, 10:19 AM)wydileie Wrote: (01-14-2022, 10:17 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: Like I said, I have seen situations where the head coach was such a mess in terms of over all organization and leadership, creating a bad environment that it was not possible for the assistants to be effective. Not saying that is the case here but only time will tell.
Obviously assistants can be effective under Day. He hired Hafley who took our garbage defense from 2018 and made us the #1 defense in the country in 2019. For all intents and purposes, we should have won the NC that year, except for some mitigating circumstances.
Ever hear of Larry Coker? Just an average coach who took over a program with so much talent he went 35-3 his first 3 seasons with a national title. Not saying Day is Larry Coker but Day took over a program with a ton of NFL talent. What he did his first two seasons is irrelevant if the program starts slipping.
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