(07-23-2021, 01:11 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 01:05 PM)maize Wrote: I'm amazed at the people who are afraid of the vaccine. It's free. Yes, shots/injections I hate. The injections only take a few seconds. Just do it. I had my first shot in March, second on April 2nd. We are now nearing the end of July, what are you waiting on?

The injection was nothing.  

The massive change in my physique since then, becoming an Adonis of sorts, has taken some getting used to.

Yeah, by dick grew six inches in six months, I just hope it stops growing pretty soon. The wife was thrilled the first four months but now she's starting to get scared.

(07-23-2021, 04:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 03:50 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: I have seen no mixed messaging on vaccines. I've seen some nonsense from kooks. I've seen politicians from both sides say dumb stuff. But that is sideshow stuff. The science is clear and unequivocal. Not a bit of mixed messaging. The vaccines are safe, effective, and recommended for everyone eligible. Simple.

You haven't been watching Fox news or frequenting OR far right news outlets.

Hannity showing support for getting vaccinated, live on the air, was breaking news for other outlets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ean-doubt/

Hannity has supported vaccination for a long time, this is not new. He also believes that it should be in individual choice, I don't see those two thoughts as counter to each other.

(07-23-2021, 04:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 04:46 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 12:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Just heard a top-of-the-hour news piece that has to be absolute Babylon Bee material.  It has to be.  Ok, apparently there's a big Covid outbreak going on in Alabama, which is either thee or one of thee lowest vaccination rate states in the country, and the woman governor (don't recall her name) went off and blamed....   wait for it...  the unvaccinated!  She was furious.  Wow, no sh1t?  It's spreading among the unvaccinated?  Color me shocked.  

Something is going on and I can't quite place my finger on it, but it obviously involves control.  If you can get the governor of Alabama to trash her own citizens, that doesn't sound like a person concerned with re-election (maybe she's termed out anyway?  Ala help me here) in any way, shape or form.  Why the concern over people that chose not to get vaccinated over something with a 98+% survival rate over the entire population, and a 99+% survival rate over people under something like 60?  Then I heard there's a cracking down on the number of new passports being doled out by the state dept on top of it   

There's something more than concern over Covid going on.  I sense "they" are absolutely going for the gold.  We discussed in another thread how the Dems are going to likely get boat raced in the house next year, so maybe there's a connection???   I have no idea what the actual "gold" looks like here, but something is under way with this and it doesn't appear to be 100% medically motivated.     


Herd immunity, herd shamunity...  I aint buying it as the big motivation.  Something is going on where they absolutely refuse to let this go.  i.e. full compliance and they would come up with something else/another excuse to clamp down, force compliance or something or another, etc...  This just stinks in a very loud way to me.

While in NJ...

New Jersey officials say nearly 50 fully vaccinated residents have died from COVID-19

Meanwhile in NJ:

Leusner also said many of the people who died had preexisting conditions. Seventeen people had cardiovascular disease, nine had cancer or other conditions that compromised their immune systems and seven had diabetes, the news outlet reported. Others had chronic conditions in the lungs, kidney and liver.

It's funny how the same people that throw a fit over death rates because people died WITH Covid rather than FROM Covid suddenly change their tune when a vaccinated person dies with Covid. I think most people understand that the elderly and compromised generally do not develop as strong an immunity as younger, healthier persons.

(07-23-2021, 07:52 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 04:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 04:46 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 12:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Just heard a top-of-the-hour news piece that has to be absolute Babylon Bee material.  It has to be.  Ok, apparently there's a big Covid outbreak going on in Alabama, which is either thee or one of thee lowest vaccination rate states in the country, and the woman governor (don't recall her name) went off and blamed....   wait for it...  the unvaccinated!  She was furious.  Wow, no sh1t?  It's spreading among the unvaccinated?  Color me shocked.  

Something is going on and I can't quite place my finger on it, but it obviously involves control.  If you can get the governor of Alabama to trash her own citizens, that doesn't sound like a person concerned with re-election (maybe she's termed out anyway?  Ala help me here) in any way, shape or form.  Why the concern over people that chose not to get vaccinated over something with a 98+% survival rate over the entire population, and a 99+% survival rate over people under something like 60?  Then I heard there's a cracking down on the number of new passports being doled out by the state dept on top of it   

There's something more than concern over Covid going on.  I sense "they" are absolutely going for the gold.  We discussed in another thread how the Dems are going to likely get boat raced in the house next year, so maybe there's a connection???   I have no idea what the actual "gold" looks like here, but something is under way with this and it doesn't appear to be 100% medically motivated.     


Herd immunity, herd shamunity...  I aint buying it as the big motivation.  Something is going on where they absolutely refuse to let this go.  i.e. full compliance and they would come up with something else/another excuse to clamp down, force compliance or something or another, etc...  This just stinks in a very loud way to me.

While in NJ...

New Jersey officials say nearly 50 fully vaccinated residents have died from COVID-19

Meanwhile in NJ:

Leusner also said many of the people who died had preexisting conditions. Seventeen people had cardiovascular disease, nine had cancer or other conditions that compromised their immune systems and seven had diabetes, the news outlet reported. Others had chronic conditions in the lungs, kidney and liver.

It's funny how the same people that throw a fit over death rates because people died WITH Covid rather than FROM Covid suddenly change their tune when a vaccinated person dies with Covid. I think most people understand that the elderly and compromised generally do not develop as strong an immunity as younger, healthier persons.

Those folks need herd immunity for protection. Their fellow citizens let them down. And 1% of the but 99% of people survive who were scared of a shot everyone survives and with that shot 99.9995% survive COVID are making a big mistake.

(07-23-2021, 08:11 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 07:52 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 04:51 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 04:46 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 12:29 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Just heard a top-of-the-hour news piece that has to be absolute Babylon Bee material.  It has to be.  Ok, apparently there's a big Covid outbreak going on in Alabama, which is either thee or one of thee lowest vaccination rate states in the country, and the woman governor (don't recall her name) went off and blamed....   wait for it...  the unvaccinated!  She was furious.  Wow, no sh1t?  It's spreading among the unvaccinated?  Color me shocked.  

Something is going on and I can't quite place my finger on it, but it obviously involves control.  If you can get the governor of Alabama to trash her own citizens, that doesn't sound like a person concerned with re-election (maybe she's termed out anyway?  Ala help me here) in any way, shape or form.  Why the concern over people that chose not to get vaccinated over something with a 98+% survival rate over the entire population, and a 99+% survival rate over people under something like 60?  Then I heard there's a cracking down on the number of new passports being doled out by the state dept on top of it   

There's something more than concern over Covid going on.  I sense "they" are absolutely going for the gold.  We discussed in another thread how the Dems are going to likely get boat raced in the house next year, so maybe there's a connection???   I have no idea what the actual "gold" looks like here, but something is under way with this and it doesn't appear to be 100% medically motivated.     


Herd immunity, herd shamunity...  I aint buying it as the big motivation.  Something is going on where they absolutely refuse to let this go.  i.e. full compliance and they would come up with something else/another excuse to clamp down, force compliance or something or another, etc...  This just stinks in a very loud way to me.

While in NJ...

New Jersey officials say nearly 50 fully vaccinated residents have died from COVID-19

Meanwhile in NJ:

Leusner also said many of the people who died had preexisting conditions. Seventeen people had cardiovascular disease, nine had cancer or other conditions that compromised their immune systems and seven had diabetes, the news outlet reported. Others had chronic conditions in the lungs, kidney and liver.

It's funny how the same people that throw a fit over death rates because people died WITH Covid rather than FROM Covid suddenly change their tune when a vaccinated person dies with Covid. I think most people understand that the elderly and compromised generally do not develop as strong an immunity as younger, healthier persons.

Those folks need herd immunity for protection. Their fellow citizens let them down. And 1% of the but 99% of people survive who were scared of a shot everyone survives and with that shot 99.9995% survive COVID are making a big mistake.

Yep, there are people who, do to circumstances beyond their control, cannot get the vaccine. Those people rely on everyone else to be responsible and get vaccinated.

The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

(07-23-2021, 08:38 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

Nope. We were told that masks protect others from you. That's why the CDC is recommending that unvaxed people wear a mask.

(07-23-2021, 08:38 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

Remember when people were talking about Cuomo? He has beaten issue #1. Any wagers if he beats issue #2?

(07-23-2021, 08:38 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

Never heard masks work wonders for one. So maybe you were told. By someone I guess. I wasn't. Secondly masks are primarily to protect others not the mask wearer which I did hear over and over and over again.

(07-23-2021, 08:59 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 08:38 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

Nope. We were told that masks protect others from you. That's why the CDC is recommending that unvaxed people wear a mask.

Ohhhhhhh...  that's right, masks only work in one direction.  Silly me.  I guess the folks in China just didn't want to breathe bad stuff out into the air pollution all those years.  Cue the there are different types of masks canned response in 3, 2...



I seriously can't take this bull chit anymore.   I really can't.  I'm supposed to suspend all common sense and pretend people never said stuff they said, that the goal posts haven't moved 100 different ways 100 different times, etc, etc, etc...  Here we are, almost a year and a half into this bull sh1t and govts around the world are clearly scrambling to maintain their new found powers/control, and somehow some people are eagerly chugging down their nonsense.  I guess "my body, my choice" only counts when you're intentionally murdering babies.  All I know is that if I was in a susceptible group and couldn't get the vaccine?  I wouldn't be going out without a mask.  i.e I would take responsibility for myself.

Pretty simple, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The number 1 reason I got the vaccine was to protect my family. If you don't want to protect your family, I just don't know what to say.

(07-23-2021, 10:25 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 08:59 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-23-2021, 08:38 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: The people that canâ€t get the vaccine should wear a mask in public then.  Werenâ€t we all told that masks work wonders?  Slap that mask on.  Dr Fauci likes em...   this week

Nope. We were told that masks protect others from you. That's why the CDC is recommending that unvaxed people wear a mask.

Ohhhhhhh...  that's right, masks only work in one direction.  Silly me.  I guess the folks in China just didn't want to breathe bad stuff out into the air pollution all those years.  Cue the there are different types of masks canned response in 3, 2...



I seriously can't take this bull chit anymore.   I really can't.  I'm supposed to suspend all common sense and pretend people never said stuff they said, that the goal posts haven't moved 100 different ways 100 different times, etc, etc, etc...  Here we are, almost a year and a half into this bull sh1t and govts around the world are clearly scrambling to maintain their new found powers/control, and somehow some people are eagerly chugging down their nonsense.  I guess "my body, my choice" only counts when you're intentionally murdering babies.  All I know is that if I was in a susceptible group and couldn't get the vaccine?  I wouldn't be going out without a mask.  i.e I would take responsibility for myself.

I'll put it this way....

The absolute highest estimate I've seen for vax deaths is 12k.  I believe that's incredibly high, but I'll use it any way:

12,000 deaths/ 150,000,000 vaccinated (99.99992% survival)

610,000 dead/ 34,000,000  cases (Johns Hopkins) (99.982% survival)

You look at those and both seem like a very good chance of survival, but you're actually 225x more likely to die from Covid than the vax.

Pitch, you're such a dunce. Given that probably 90+% of the deaths came when EVERYONE was unvaccinated, your "data" is incoherent (much like most of your posts). Odds are still better now if you're vaccinated, but stop posting such garbage data, it makes you look like a fool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherence_...prov=sfla1

(07-24-2021, 01:54 AM)ChinaBuck Wrote: Pretty simple, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The number 1 reason I got the vaccine was to protect my family. If you don't want to protect your family, I just don't know what to say.

That can be a false choice.  It might be the right thing for you, but it doesnâ€t apply for me.  The vulnerable in my family are vaccinated.  If thatâ€s not good enough then why even have a vaccine? I mean if Iâ€m the only person in my town to get vaccinated youâ€re telling me my vaccine wonâ€t work?    

Iâ€m not going to allow a bunch of govt punks guilt me into anything.  The vaccines are out there for anyone that wants or needs them.  I donâ€t want it, and the math says I clearly donâ€t need it.  

The flu kills seniors every year as well (miraculously not this year though   ).  We gonna start demanding 100% vaccine participation for that next?  Then whatâ€s the next thing around the corner?  Yeah Iâ€m simply not playing this game.  Unless forced of course, which clearly sounds like is just around the corner.  They just will not let go

In an average year, there are about 7,000 documented deaths from seasonal flu.

If there were 500,000 deaths/year, I suspect people would be lining up for the seasonal flu vaccine