(04-12-2019, 05:53 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: He could have been talking about food. There's always more food in the kitchen if you look.

Yep and that is why the charges are considered weak by many.

Assange helped Manning pilfer/hack government computers to gain information on the Iraq war and Afghanistan.  Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure its a crime to hack a government computer.   His step dad was highly anti war and I'm sure that his entire life has been to rail against any nation involved in wars.  US has been involved in a lot of wars.

If Assange broke the law, he should be prosecuted.

However, sometimes someone breaks a law NOT out of selfishness, but to do something altruistic.

I don't know all of the details of what he's accused of doing so I cannot comment at this time as to whether or not he did, indeed, break the law and what type of punishment he should receive.

With that said, someone on Twitter said that what Assange did is no different than what many American journalist organizations have done. Perhaps that is true.

(04-12-2019, 08:40 AM)jmesser1982 Wrote:

(04-12-2019, 07:44 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote:

(04-12-2019, 06:20 AM)jmesser1982 Wrote: Assange will be most likely be found hanging in his cell if he is incarcerated rated here.

He's super depressed ya know.  Unlike the previous 6 years being stuck inside an embassy.  This is, you know...  different.

I was not suggesting suicide.

Arkancide...

(04-12-2019, 05:34 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote:

(04-11-2019, 10:44 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: I just heard someone say the indictment is fairly weak... not claiming that opinion is accurate. I still don't know what he did that the NYT or WaPo or WSJ or any media outlet hasn't done and currently does.

Earlier you asked what he did wrong.  He gave out information and secrets which should have remained that way including information considered sensitive.

Publishing truthful information is not a crime. 

Journalists are protected by the 1st Amendment even when they publish classified information that has been provided to them by leakers.

The NYT published classified information exposing the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program. Not a crime.

University of Chicago Law Professor Geoff Stone asks whether or not it would even be constitutional for such a prosecution to be brought.

Assange is charged with conspiring with Manning to commit the crime of computer intrusion... Assange encouraged Manning to provide information and records from departments and agencies of the United States.” According to the indictment, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, thatâ€s all I really have got left.” Assange replied: “Curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”  https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editoria...story.html

Again, considering the above paragraph, what did Assange do that the NYT, WaPo, CNN, or any media outlet doesn't do?

(04-12-2019, 09:06 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(04-12-2019, 05:34 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote:

(04-11-2019, 10:44 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: I just heard someone say the indictment is fairly weak... not claiming that opinion is accurate. I still don't know what he did that the NYT or WaPo or WSJ or any media outlet hasn't done and currently does.

Earlier you asked what he did wrong.  He gave out information and secrets which should have remained that way including information considered sensitive.

Publishing truthful information is not a crime. 

Journalists are protected by the 1st Amendment even when they publish classified information that has been provided to them by leakers.

The NYT published classified information exposing the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program. Not a crime.

University of Chicago Law Professor Geoff Stone asks whether or not it would even be constitutional for such a prosecution to be brought.

Assange is charged with conspiring with Manning to commit the crime of computer intrusion... Assange encouraged Manning to provide information and records from departments and agencies of the United States.” According to the indictment, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, thatâ€s all I really have got left.” Assange replied: “Curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”  https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editoria...story.html

Again, considering the above paragraph, what did Assange do that the NYT, WaPo, CNN, or any media outlet doesn't do?

Great post! 

It will certainly be interesting to see what transpires.  I can only wonder if there are any high-level American officials, ex-officials and politicians that would have preferred that Assange remain in that embassy forever.  Like I said, it will be interesting to follow.

(04-12-2019, 08:50 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(04-12-2019, 08:40 AM)jmesser1982 Wrote:

(04-12-2019, 07:44 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: He's super depressed ya know.  Unlike the previous 6 years being stuck inside an embassy.  This is, you know...  different.

I was not suggesting suicide.

Arkancide...

   

I'm definitely using this.  

Federal Grand Jury indicts Jullian Assange on 18 counts conspiring with Bradley or Chelsea Manning

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p...story.html

(05-23-2019, 03:39 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Federal Grand Jury indicts Jullian Assange on 18 counts conspiring with Bradley or Chelsea Manning

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p...story.html

The US govt has  a 98% conviction rate or something absurd like that. He's toast.

Per the LA Times... News organizations routinely encourage sources to provide them with highly sensitive documents, and their publication is considered protected under the 1st Amendment. The indictment says Assange released a list of his organization's "Most Wanted Leaks" to encourage people to provide military and intelligence documents... Manning appeared to have responded to Assange's public solicitation, searching the classified Pentagon network for some of the same terms highlighted by WikiLeaks, such as "interrogation videos."

In addition to significantly raising the punishment threshold (from a maximum of 5.5 years under the previous indictment to the prospect of a death sentence for violating the Espionage Act), the new charges will raise serious first amendment issues as Assange will become the first journalist charged under the Espionage Act.  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-2...ct-charges

Quote:The US govt has  a 98% conviction rate or something absurd like that. He's toast. 

US = Police State.

They are going to put the screws to this guy to get him to VJ.

(05-23-2019, 05:16 PM)BigDroppa Wrote: They are going to put the screws to this guy to get him to VJ.

He'll be the fall guy for Russian Collusion. Both sides will accept this and move on. 

Status Quo will continue in D.C.

How does he tie into the FISA thing and spying and all that? I thought he was only involved in the DNC stuff (which we were assured at the time by Donna B. that it was nothing anyway).

Quote:How does he tie into the FISA thing and spying and all that? 

The same way Trump ties in the Russian burfle. He doesn't have to because the left and right, along with the media, will make him guilty.

Saves both the dems and reps so they can continue putting the screws to the people.

From BoyGenius Zero Hedge rpt.
The indictment of Julian Assange adds a big wrinkle to these upcoming proceedings. Apart for what it means to First Amendment protection for a free press (no small matter), Mr. Assange is the one person who actually knows who handed over the “hacked” DNC emails to Wikileaks. Perhaps getting the answer to that question is the real reason that the DOJ is throwing the book at him. The trial of Mr. Assange is sure to be a humdinger.