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Cincy, nobody is claiming this was engineered by humans.
Some have argued it was manipulated through GoF (which I fully believe) within accepted research boundaries.
The ChiComs are notoriously poor with safety and security protocol, that cannot be disputed.
This is how the leak happened. Itâ€s actually quite simple.
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(06-09-2021, 03:18 PM)Syncro Wrote: Cincy, nobody is claiming this was engineered by humans.
Some have argued it was manipulated through GoF (which I fully believe) within accepted research boundaries.
The ChiComs are notoriously poor with safety and security protocol, that cannot be disputed.
This is how the leak happened. Itâ€s actually quite simple. The kind of stuff the North Carolina lab was doing would be what techniques they would use. That results in a chimeric virus that I do not think wouldn't be detected. I think a recombination accident is the more likely scenario for a lab leak. But I still think that sort of recombination far more likely in nature. Likely what led to SARS1.
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How is gain of function different from "engineered by humans"?
I'm against all over generalizations.
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I just wonder what we are doing by funding stuff like this with/for China. Â Yes we are a trade partner. Â A trade partner with a nation with huge aspirations, that not only is a human rights hell hole, but a nation with a shaky at best relationship with a nation recently awakened (the people) to the fact it was getting rectally raped in a bizarre 50 year relationship. Â
I don†t know, are people in our govt this diabolical?  this personally greedy?  or just beyond hopelessly naive?  If it†s either of the first two I would demand swift and brutal action taken.  If it†s the last, how on earth did these people ever garner these levers of power within our government/bureaucracy to begin with??? Â
I don†t know.  It†s just beyond comprehension to me that we would be doing anything remotely in the same universe of potential bio weapon stuff with those thugs. Â
Someone makes sense of this insanity for me. Â
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The idea seems to be:
1. Many zoonotic viruses come from China.
2. It makes sense to study them ahead of time.
3. If we fund a bit of the work, we get the information quickly in reviews and have a chance to keep tabs on what they are doing technically. The funding was pretty small, the parts I've seen.
I have not seen any evidence this involves bioweapons development. As noted, folks doing that, if anyone is doing that, would start off with a much more lethal virus, logically.
I'm against all over generalizations.
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(06-09-2021, 03:43 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: I just wonder what we are doing by funding stuff like this with/for China. Â Yes we are a trade partner. Â A trade partner with a nation with huge aspirations, that not only is a human rights hell hole, but a nation with a shaky at best relationship with a nation recently awakened (the people) to the fact it was getting rectally raped in a bizarre 50 year relationship. Â
I donâ€t know, are people in our govt this diabolical?  this personally greedy?  or just beyond hopelessly naive?  If itâ€s either of the first two I would demand swift and brutal action taken.  If itâ€s the last, how on earth did these people ever garner these levers of power within our government/bureaucracy to begin with??? Â
I donâ€t know.  Itâ€s just beyond comprehension to me that we would be doing anything remotely in the same universe of potential bio weapon stuff with those thugs. Â
Someone makes sense of this insanity for me. Â It's where they had SARS 1 and the bats with coronaviruses. And they had a lab. I don't know why we were giving them any money but it seems indirect because people here wanted an in so they could get in on it with them. Partnership.
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A couple of articles to illustrate recombination. More likely to happen in nature due to greater likelihood of 2 viruses inhabiting the same cells.Â
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15480857
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15019585
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(06-09-2021, 03:39 PM)cincydawg Wrote: How is gain of function different from "engineered by humans"?
That's a good question and perhaps a fine line.
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(06-09-2021, 06:32 PM)Sanitarian2 Wrote: (06-09-2021, 03:39 PM)cincydawg Wrote: How is gain of function different from "engineered by humans"?
That's a good question and perhaps a fine line.
Stop. All that indecision and indecisiveness is giving Cincy a boner.
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Has anyone heard any strong denials from Fauci himself in regards to the funding trail?
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(06-09-2021, 09:17 PM)ScarletHayes Wrote: Has anyone heard any strong denials from Fauci himself in regards to the funding trail? No just his lies about privatized funding and a technical detail of "the US hasn't funded GOF research, but they dude funnel money to a company who did GOF research at WIV.
The research was GOF research and all but technically the grant wasn't specifically for it, even though the guy admittedly was focusing on coronavirus GOF research.
So he lied through his teeth
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So, I still have seen zero actual evidence that GoF work was going on at Wuhan, or that, even if it was, it has anything to do with the pandemic. Zero evidence.
Not to mention zero evidence Fauci had anything to do with funding such work.
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