For any Christians on here-where does sin nullify “belief†and get someone hell-roasted for eternity? Is Josh Duggar going to roast-I’m sure he and his family would claim he is “savedâ€, even as he is going to a federal program for sex offenders.Â
The whole “I’m saved, doesn’t matter what I did afterwards†attitude amongst evangelicals is a major hindrance in people taking said theology seriously, imo. Evangelicals refuse to give straight answers about the behavior of their “ownâ€-or the eternal consequences of said behavior.
The true belief in God is to ask for repent- which means to turn away from and honestly try to not sin again in the future- and believe in God.
To believe means to have true trust and following of God's laws and to try and be christ like in your own actions.
To simply think that only believing and ignoring his law doesn't work.
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(06-09-2022, 06:08 PM)davebucknut Wrote: [ -> ]The true belief in God is to ask for repent- which means to turn away from and honestly try to not sin again in the future- and believe in God.
To believe means to have true trust and following of God's laws and to try and be christ like in your own actions.
To simply think that only believing and ignoring his law doesn't work.
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Do or do not. There is is no try. You don’t “try†not to be a pedo or cheat on your wife, imo.
(06-09-2022, 06:40 PM)stxbuck Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2022, 06:08 PM)davebucknut Wrote: [ -> ]The true belief in God is to ask for repent- which means to turn away from and honestly try to not sin again in the future- and believe in God.
To believe means to have true trust and following of God's laws and to try and be christ like in your own actions.
To simply think that only believing and ignoring his law doesn't work.
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Do or do not. There is is no try. You don’t “try†not to be a pedo or cheat on your wife, imo.
There are some sins that are worse than others and the 10 commandments would probably be worse to break than some of the other smaller things.
Its a question that can only truly be answered by Jesus
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Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
(06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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(06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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What do you mean not original sin?
(06-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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What do you mean not original sin?
Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
Yet, we still live sinful lives.
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(06-10-2022, 09:41 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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What do you mean not original sin?
Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
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Baptism is a means of grace and forgiveness of sin. It does not remove nor eliminate the sin we inherited from Adam.
(06-10-2022, 09:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:41 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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What do you mean not original sin?
Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
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Baptism is a means of grace and forgiveness of sin. It does not remove nor eliminate the sin we inherited from Adam.
According to?
We are born to man and original sin, through baptism we are born in the spirit. That washes away original sin. But, we live in a sinful nature.
Im simply saying what Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans/Episcopales believe
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(06-10-2022, 09:54 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:41 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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What do you mean not original sin?
Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
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Baptism is a means of grace and forgiveness of sin. It does not remove nor eliminate the sin we inherited from Adam.
According to?
We are born to man and original sin, through baptism we are born in the spirit. That washes away original sin. But, we live in a sinful nature.
Im simply saying what Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans/Episcopales believeÂ
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That would be considered heresy and a form of Pelagianism. Â That is not what Lutherans believe.
https://wels.net/faq/baptism-and-original-sin/
(06-10-2022, 09:21 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's clear up the common misconceptions regarding sin.  One, orthodox Christianity teaches that it is not merely specific sinful actions. Sin is a condition, an illness every human is born with. You are a condemned sinner in the womb before you commit your first specific sins. Two, you will remain a sinner until you die. Not committing physical murder does not mean you are not a murderer under the standards set by Jesus for fulfilling the law. Perfect obedience to the Law is not remotely possible in this life. The OP as usual is focused on the wrong narrative and the wrong ideas.
I agree with this mostly (up to the unnecessary editorial on OP) We live in sin. But, not original sin.
So? One moment at Bible camp 46 years ago guarantees salvation? Can it be lost? Are works important? Can there be forgiveness/absolution for the same sinful action over and over again?
If we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, does that tabula rasa sin? Does that and the crucifixion relieve man of original sin? But yet we still sin.
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I understand the idea of baptism washing away original sin, the issue lies in the unwillingness, imo, of evangelicals to give straight answers on major categories of sin. If one continues living an intentionally sinful lifestyle after ostensibly being “savedâ€-theft, murder, pedo,etc.-others in the community/positions of moral leadership being unwilling to give straight answers to the unsaved isn’t offering a very good witness, imo.
(06-10-2022, 10:47 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:54 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:41 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean not original sin?
Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
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Baptism is a means of grace and forgiveness of sin. It does not remove nor eliminate the sin we inherited from Adam.
According to?
We are born to man and original sin, through baptism we are born in the spirit. That washes away original sin. But, we live in a sinful nature.
Im simply saying what Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans/Episcopales believeÂ
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That would be considered heresy and a form of Pelagianism. Â That is not what Lutherans believe.
https://wels.net/faq/baptism-and-original-sin/
I think we have a semantic issue.
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https://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?...N.ORIGINAL
See without original sin.
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(06-10-2022, 11:46 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 10:47 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:54 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:43 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2022, 09:41 AM)Georgem80 Wrote: [ -> ]Baptism washes away original sin. Hence
“We believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sinsâ€
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Baptism is a means of grace and forgiveness of sin. It does not remove nor eliminate the sin we inherited from Adam.
According to?
We are born to man and original sin, through baptism we are born in the spirit. That washes away original sin. But, we live in a sinful nature.
Im simply saying what Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans/Episcopales believeÂ
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That would be considered heresy and a form of Pelagianism. Â That is not what Lutherans believe.
https://wels.net/faq/baptism-and-original-sin/
I think we have a semantic issue.
https://cyclopedia.lcms.org/display.asp?...N.ORIGINAL
See without original sin.
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Not really. Â Lutherans clearly believe original sin is not removed upon baptism. Â Forgiveness of sin is not removal of the sin nature or original sin.
Lutherans believe and teach that baptism forgives the guilt of original sin, but the sinful nature that remains is real sin. .... the sinful nature is part of us throughout this earthly life and continually wars with the new self (Romans 7:7-25).
(06-09-2022, 06:06 PM)stxbuck Wrote: [ -> ]For any Christians on here-where does sin nullify “belief†and get someone hell-roasted for eternity? Is Josh Duggar going to roast-I’m sure he and his family would claim he is “savedâ€, even as he is going to a federal program for sex offenders.Â
The whole “I’m saved, doesn’t matter what I did afterwards†attitude amongst evangelicals is a major hindrance in people taking said theology seriously, imo. Evangelicals refuse to give straight answers about the behavior of their “ownâ€-or the eternal consequences of said behavior.
Many Christians preach that one only has to believe and they will be saved. I don't believe that is necessarily true but I don't know for sure because only Jesus can make the final call on where one spends eternity. However, I believe that people who claim to be Christian while living a live of unremorseful and unrepentant sin are in for a nasty surprise when they meet Jesus. As Jesus himself said:
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’