Police are so funny....

[P1tchblack]

Maybe Pitch thinks that Baltimore would magically restore to law and order if we just made drugs and prostitution legal....is that so Pitch?

Those last two mayors have really reigned in the police....

Baltimore's issues are more complicated than drugs and sex.  Drugs and prostitution have existed and will exist indefinitely. We can either continue to waste money on faux wars, continue to punish people who are doing nothing wrong or do what is right and change the laws.

Drugs and prostitution are just characteristics and by products of the people there.  Legalizing them won't do anything positive but will encourage those activities and increase crime in lower crime areas.

You are 100% wrong. I have done drugs with c-level executives and I've done drugs in an apartment with people who smoke crack off of tin foil. you can get prostitutes in the most run-down areas of a city, and you can also get them by going online to specific websites. you're only fooling yourself if you think either of those two things is unique to Baltimore or any other poor area.

Neither of them is going away and it is wrong to punish adults for doing either one. There is nothing wrong with doing drugs and nothing wrong with paying for sex.  it is illegal for me to drive without my seat belt on. It is in no way wrong for me to drive without my seat belt on.

Internet prostitution is largely irrelevant to how it affects specific areas of town.  Do you really not understand that places where prostitution is open and on the streets and bars are generally run down high crime, high drug areas?

Again... both are already happening and will continue to happen and it is wrong to punish either one.  the government has no right to tell me I can't buy services from another adult, nor do they have the right to tell me what I can/can't put in my body.

[Hightop77]

Amsterdam:

Religions in Amsterdam (2015)......largely atheistic.  So much for the position that religion is a driving factor in bad things.

 Non affiliated (62.2%)
 Roman Catholic (11.2%)
 Protestant Church in the Netherlands (5.9%)
 Other Christian denominations (5.9%)
 Islam (12.1%)
 Hinduism (1.1%)
 Buddhism (1.0%)
 Judaism (0.7%)

Immigration Demographs
Country or territory Population
Netherlands Netherlands 401,260 (47.49%)
Morocco Morocco 75,758 (8.97%)
Suriname Suriname 65,468 (7.75%)
Turkey Turkey 43,168 (5.11%)
Indonesia Indonesia 25,522 (3.02%)
Germany Germany 18,445 (2.18%)
United Kingdom United Kingdom 12,670 (1.50%)
Netherlands Dutch Caribbean 12,288 (1.45%)
Ghana Ghana 12,133 (1.44%)
United States United States 9,108 (1.08%)
Italy Italy 8,553 (1.01%)
Other 160,574 (19.00%)

Amsterdam is a fascinating study in the 'race is the problem' debate.

Its still over 80% white and crime there is increasing with changing demographics even though much of it goes unreported.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/f...tch-police

[Hightop77]

Baltimore's issues are more complicated than drugs and sex.  Drugs and prostitution have existed and will exist indefinitely. We can either continue to waste money on faux wars, continue to punish people who are doing nothing wrong or do what is right and change the laws.

Drugs and prostitution are just characteristics and by products of the people there.  Legalizing them won't do anything positive but will encourage those activities and increase crime in lower crime areas.

You are 100% wrong. I have done drugs with c-level executives and I've done drugs in an apartment with people who smoke crack off of tin foil. you can get prostitutes in the most run-down areas of a city, and you can also get them by going online to specific websites. you're only fooling yourself if you think either of those two things is unique to Baltimore or any other poor area.

Neither of them is going away and it is wrong to punish adults for doing either one. There is nothing wrong with doing drugs and nothing wrong with paying for sex.  it is illegal for me to drive without my seat belt on. It is in no way wrong for me to drive without my seat belt on.

Internet prostitution is largely irrelevant to how it affects specific areas of town.  Do you really not understand that places where prostitution is open and on the streets and bars are generally run down high crime, high drug areas?

Again... both are already happening and will continue to happen and it is wrong to punish either one.  the government has no right to tell me I can't buy services from another adult, nor do they have the right to tell me what I can/can't put in my body.

Actually since the behavior you subscribe to is not constitutionally protected, government does have the right to do those things.

[P1tchblack]

Drugs and prostitution are just characteristics and by products of the people there.  Legalizing them won't do anything positive but will encourage those activities and increase crime in lower crime areas.

You are 100% wrong. I have done drugs with c-level executives and I've done drugs in an apartment with people who smoke crack off of tin foil. you can get prostitutes in the most run-down areas of a city, and you can also get them by going online to specific websites. you're only fooling yourself if you think either of those two things is unique to Baltimore or any other poor area.

Neither of them is going away and it is wrong to punish adults for doing either one. There is nothing wrong with doing drugs and nothing wrong with paying for sex.  it is illegal for me to drive without my seat belt on. It is in no way wrong for me to drive without my seat belt on.

Internet prostitution is largely irrelevant to how it affects specific areas of town.  Do you really not understand that places where prostitution is open and on the streets and bars are generally run down high crime, high drug areas?

Again... both are already happening and will continue to happen and it is wrong to punish either one.  the government has no right to tell me I can't buy services from another adult, nor do they have the right to tell me what I can/can't put in my body.

Actually since the behavior you subscribe to is not constitutionally protected, government does have the right to do those things.

Wrong.  The government has no authority to tell two consenting adults what they can/can't do in the privacy of their own home.

[Hightop77]

You are 100% wrong. I have done drugs with c-level executives and I've done drugs in an apartment with people who smoke crack off of tin foil. you can get prostitutes in the most run-down areas of a city, and you can also get them by going online to specific websites. you're only fooling yourself if you think either of those two things is unique to Baltimore or any other poor area.

Neither of them is going away and it is wrong to punish adults for doing either one. There is nothing wrong with doing drugs and nothing wrong with paying for sex.  it is illegal for me to drive without my seat belt on. It is in no way wrong for me to drive without my seat belt on.

Internet prostitution is largely irrelevant to how it affects specific areas of town.  Do you really not understand that places where prostitution is open and on the streets and bars are generally run down high crime, high drug areas?

Again... both are already happening and will continue to happen and it is wrong to punish either one.  the government has no right to tell me I can't buy services from another adult, nor do they have the right to tell me what I can/can't put in my body.

Actually since the behavior you subscribe to is not constitutionally protected, government does have the right to do those things.

Wrong.  The government has no authority to tell two consenting adults what they can/can't do in the privacy of their own home.

Well you are obviously wrong about that.

[P1tchblack]

Internet prostitution is largely irrelevant to how it affects specific areas of town.  Do you really not understand that places where prostitution is open and on the streets and bars are generally run down high crime, high drug areas?

Again... both are already happening and will continue to happen and it is wrong to punish either one.  the government has no right to tell me I can't buy services from another adult, nor do they have the right to tell me what I can/can't put in my body.

Actually since the behavior you subscribe to is not constitutionally protected, government does have the right to do those things.

Wrong.  The government has no authority to tell two consenting adults what they can/can't do in the privacy of their own home.

Well you are obviously wrong about that.

Ha ha...you believe, for example, the Christian Right could outlaw two guys having sex??

You really are a fascist.

[Alabuckeye]

Amsterdam:

Religions in Amsterdam (2015)......largely atheistic.  So much for the position that religion is a driving factor in bad things.

 Non affiliated (62.2%)
 Roman Catholic (11.2%)
 Protestant Church in the Netherlands (5.9%)
 Other Christian denominations (5.9%)
 Islam (12.1%)
 Hinduism (1.1%)
 Buddhism (1.0%)
 Judaism (0.7%)

Immigration Demographs
Country or territory Population
Netherlands Netherlands 401,260 (47.49%)
Morocco Morocco 75,758 (8.97%)
Suriname Suriname 65,468 (7.75%)
Turkey Turkey 43,168 (5.11%)
Indonesia Indonesia 25,522 (3.02%)
Germany Germany 18,445 (2.18%)
United Kingdom United Kingdom 12,670 (1.50%)
Netherlands Dutch Caribbean 12,288 (1.45%)
Ghana Ghana 12,133 (1.44%)
United States United States 9,108 (1.08%)
Italy Italy 8,553 (1.01%)
Other 160,574 (19.00%)

Amsterdam is a fascinating study in the 'race is the problem' debate.

Its still over 80% white and crime there is increasing with changing demographics even though much of it goes unreported.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/f...tch-police

LRRPY says it was a disaster in 1987

[lrrps21]

Amsterdam:

Religions in Amsterdam (2015)......largely atheistic.  So much for the position that religion is a driving factor in bad things.

 Non affiliated (62.2%)
 Roman Catholic (11.2%)
 Protestant Church in the Netherlands (5.9%)
 Other Christian denominations (5.9%)
 Islam (12.1%)
 Hinduism (1.1%)
 Buddhism (1.0%)
 Judaism (0.7%)

Immigration Demographs
Country or territory Population
Netherlands Netherlands 401,260 (47.49%)
Morocco Morocco 75,758 (8.97%)
Suriname Suriname 65,468 (7.75%)
Turkey Turkey 43,168 (5.11%)
Indonesia Indonesia 25,522 (3.02%)
Germany Germany 18,445 (2.18%)
United Kingdom United Kingdom 12,670 (1.50%)
Netherlands Dutch Caribbean 12,288 (1.45%)
Ghana Ghana 12,133 (1.44%)
United States United States 9,108 (1.08%)
Italy Italy 8,553 (1.01%)
Other 160,574 (19.00%)

Amsterdam is a fascinating study in the 'race is the problem' debate.

Its still over 80% white and crime there is increasing with changing demographics even though much of it goes unreported.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/f...tch-police

LRRPY says it was a disaster in 1987

It was called the 'den of iniquity' by those who visited the place. I'm sure there are good parts of Netherlands. I was unfortunate in that the rest of the guys outvoted me. I did get to hear about some guy named Vincent van Gogh. It was not a total loss.