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California's thin blue line....
#1
California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says you canâ€t have it

Attorney General warns reporters it's illegal to possess list of thousands of cop convictions


Their crimes ranged from shoplifting to embezzlement to murder. Some of them molested kids and downloaded child pornography. Others beat their wives, girlfriends or children.

The one thing they had in common: a badge.
Thousands of California law enforcement officers have been convicted of a crime in the past decade, according to records released by a public agency that sets standards for officers in the Golden State.

The revelations are alarming, but the stateâ€s top cop says Californians donâ€t have a right to see them. In fact, Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned two Berkeley-based reporters that simply possessing this never-before-publicly-released list of convicted cops is a violation of the law.


The California Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training — known as POST — provided the information last month in response to routine Public Records Act requests from reporters for the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley and its production arm, Investigative Studios.

But when Becerraâ€s office learned about the disclosure, it threatened the reporters with legal action unless they destroyed the records, insisting they are confidential under state law and were released inadvertently. The two journalism organizations have rejected Becerraâ€s demands.


“Itâ€s disheartening and ominous that the highest law enforcement officer in the state is threatening legal action over something the First Amendment makes clear canâ€t give rise to criminal action against a reporter,” said David Snyder, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, a San Rafael-based nonprofit that advocates for free speech and open records.


The documents provide a rare glimpse at the volume of officer misconduct at a time of heightened interest over police accountability. The list includes cops who trafficked drugs, cops who stole money from their departments and even one who robbed a bank wearing a fake beard. Some sexually assaulted suspects. Others took bribes, filed false reports and committed perjury. A large number drove under the influence of drugs and alcohol — sometimes killing people on the road.


The Berkeley journalists chose not to publish the entire list until they could spend more time reporting to avoid misidentifying people among the nearly 12,000 names in the documents, said John Temple, director of the Investigative Reporting Program.

Still, the details are stunning in a state where officials have fought for years to keep virtually any record of police misconduct a secret. And they come amid a larger battle playing out in courtrooms throughout the state over Californiaâ€s new police transparency law, Senate Bill 1421. Law enforcement groups have sued to limit the impact of that law, claiming it shouldnâ€t expose police disciplinary records created before the law took effect on Jan. 1.


Becerra himself has rejected public records requests from his own agency, and he is now being sued by a prominent First Amendment group for failing to comply. Many other agencies in California have followed the attorney generalâ€s lead.


“Once you disclose a document thatâ€s confidential and private, you canâ€t take it back,” Becerra told reporters earlier this month. ”You donâ€t get a second chance to get it right, you got to get it right the first time.”


https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/02/26/...t-have-it/
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#2
Dag, I bet that you have to jam fifty cent pieces into your penny loafers in order to prevent those bad bois from just floating away.
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#3
Thousands have been convicted of a crime over some period, possibly part of them misdemeanors unrelated to their office. That number could be 2,000 up to 10,000, I'd surmise, over an unknown period of time, possibly 50 years?
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(02-26-2019, 06:16 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Thousands have been convicted of a crime over some period, possibly part of them misdemeanors unrelated to their office.  That number could be 2,000 up to 10,000, I'd surmise, over an unknown period of time, possibly 50 years?

How many times do you think a suspect's criminal past is brought up in court? seems only fair that the person accusing you has their criminal past brought up also, right?
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#5
I was on a jury where the accused previous crimes could not be brought up in court, which is the usual situation unless somehow the crimes are closely related. We had as evidence what clearly was a mug shot with the bottom portion heavily taped so we could not see what it was.

And any LEO CONVICTED of a felony would not longer be an LEO. So, the past of an accusing LEO would not be relevant.

This report you cited has all sorts of holes in it, as I noted. I can't glean anything from it relevant to anything other than what we already know, some cops do bad things.
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#6
Pitch is just belting out another one of his South Park routines.
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#7
Well, I'm not sure why the report is being kept secret.
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#8
(02-26-2019, 06:26 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I was on a jury where the accused previous crimes could not be brought up in court, which is the usual situation unless somehow the crimes are closely related.  We had as evidence what clearly was a mug shot with the bottom portion heavily taped so we could not see what it was.

And any LEO CONVICTED of a felony would not longer be an LEO.  So, the past of an accusing LEO would not be relevant.

This report you cited has all sorts of holes in it, as I noted.  I can't glean anything from it relevant to anything other than what we already know, some cops do bad things.

Not true.  If an officer is a witness in a court case, which happens every day across the country, prior convictions can be used to show that the witness isn't credible.  Not only CAN history be brought up, it SHOULD be.
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(02-26-2019, 05:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: California keeps a secret list of criminal cops, but says you canâ€t have it

Attorney General warns reporters it's illegal to possess list of thousands of cop convictions


Their crimes ranged from shoplifting to embezzlement to murder. Some of them molested kids and downloaded child pornography. Others beat their wives, girlfriends or children.

The one thing they had in common: a badge.
Thousands of California law enforcement officers have been convicted of a crime in the past decade, according to records released by a public agency that sets standards for officers in the Golden State.

The revelations are alarming, but the stateâ€s top cop says Californians donâ€t have a right to see them. In fact, Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned two Berkeley-based reporters that simply possessing this never-before-publicly-released list of convicted cops is a violation of the law.


The California Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training — known as POST — provided the information last month in response to routine Public Records Act requests from reporters for the Investigative Reporting Program at UC Berkeley and its production arm, Investigative Studios.

But when Becerraâ€s office learned about the disclosure, it threatened the reporters with legal action unless they destroyed the records, insisting they are confidential under state law and were released inadvertently. The two journalism organizations have rejected Becerraâ€s demands.


“Itâ€s disheartening and ominous that the highest law enforcement officer in the state is threatening legal action over something the First Amendment makes clear canâ€t give rise to criminal action against a reporter,” said David Snyder, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, a San Rafael-based nonprofit that advocates for free speech and open records.


The documents provide a rare glimpse at the volume of officer misconduct at a time of heightened interest over police accountability. The list includes cops who trafficked drugs, cops who stole money from their departments and even one who robbed a bank wearing a fake beard. Some sexually assaulted suspects. Others took bribes, filed false reports and committed perjury. A large number drove under the influence of drugs and alcohol — sometimes killing people on the road.


The Berkeley journalists chose not to publish the entire list until they could spend more time reporting to avoid misidentifying people among the nearly 12,000 names in the documents, said John Temple, director of the Investigative Reporting Program.

Still, the details are stunning in a state where officials have fought for years to keep virtually any record of police misconduct a secret. And they come amid a larger battle playing out in courtrooms throughout the state over Californiaâ€s new police transparency law, Senate Bill 1421. Law enforcement groups have sued to limit the impact of that law, claiming it shouldnâ€t expose police disciplinary records created before the law took effect on Jan. 1.


Becerra himself has rejected public records requests from his own agency, and he is now being sued by a prominent First Amendment group for failing to comply. Many other agencies in California have followed the attorney generalâ€s lead.


“Once you disclose a document thatâ€s confidential and private, you canâ€t take it back,” Becerra told reporters earlier this month. ”You donâ€t get a second chance to get it right, you got to get it right the first time.”


https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/02/26/...t-have-it/

Why do you hate cops?
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#10
I don't. I hate bad cops and the system that to often allows them to be bad without accountability.
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#11
Not so much that he hates cops, just digs on black dudes.
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#12
(02-26-2019, 07:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't. I hate bad cops and the system that to often allows them to be bad without accountability.

This list is cops CONVICTED of crimes, right?  How were they not held to account?

Any who committed felonies are not cops any more.

If they were caught in some misdemeanor, they could still be.  What percentage of these crimes were misdemeanors?  Was speeding included?
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#13
(02-27-2019, 07:24 AM)cincydawg Wrote:
(02-26-2019, 07:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't. I hate bad cops and the system that to often allows them to be bad without accountability.

This list is cops CONVICTED of crimes, right?  How were they not held to account?

Any who committed felonies are not cops any more.

If they were caught in some misdemeanor, they could still be.  What percentage of these crimes were misdemeanors?  Was speeding included?

It's not uncommon for police departments to protect their own. A felony could easily be turn into a misdemeanor in order to protect the officer. The point is, of course, why is this a secret? Don't all citizens have a right to know about the criminal past of those who work for them?
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#14
I don't know why it's secret, other than the obvious, but these folks have already been held accountable, the rest is guessing with BIAS due to what you WANT to be the case.

These convictions might be 90% misdemeanors or even traffic citations for parking.
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#15
I do get a chuckle when the herd gets tricked into appearing to defend what should be indefensible. Change the list to illegals and the alt right gang here would be insensed. Since it is cops they seem not to care. There is 0 reason this should be kept from the public.

On the plus side there is at least one example of lefties defending LEOs.
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