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George Zimmerman to win again?
#37
Many lessons to be learned.

1. Never allow a broad to shame you into anything; especially a fight.
2. Have nothing to do with a fat broad; especially one considered feeble.
3. Never get into a fight minus any type of combat training. Tackling some dude is the fastest way to losing.
4. Don't underestimate anybody. Even fat losers can pull a trigger.
5. Always eat dessert first (skittles) because life is uncertain.
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#38
(12-05-2019, 10:21 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 09:50 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 08:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 07:42 AM)stxbuck Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:11 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: If you accept Zimmerman's version of the story, it was self defense.
Unless it was strawberry jam on the pavement under his head and the photo was faked, I believe his story. Did he need to be out there playing Paul Blart Mall Cop-no. Did Trayvon bite off more than he could chew and wind up justifiably paying for it-hell yes.

Ignoring the fact that Travyon is a thug and Zimmerman is a moron......

Let's say someone is following you, at night, in the rain.  You turn to confront them and ask them why they're following you and the other person escalates the situation by shoving you, taking a swing at you or (more likely in this case) trying to pull a gun on you.  If you punch them and they end up on the ground, laying in their own blood from a broken nose, does that mean you did something wrong?
Your hypothetical is irrelevant to the case at hand. Martin left and went home THEN returned. Also Martin was on top of him hitting him and pounding his head against a sidewalk. Your hypothetical is a different case not the Martin/Zimmerman one.

Given that we have no way of knowing what actually happened, my hypothetical  is relevant because a small change in the series of events dramatically changes how the incident is viewed. 

Trayvon,  regardless of when he did it, has every right to confront Zimmerman and ask why he's following him.  If Zimmerman unnecessarily escalated the situation, and Trayvon turned the tables in self defense, the whole scenario has a different feel.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, but taking the story of a moron like Zimmerman as the unquestionable truth, when there is no way to verify it, is insanity.
Your hypothetical is irrelevant because it is demonstrably nothing like what happened. End of story. I believe Zimmerman because looking at what is known and what makes sense fits his story. Unquestionable? No. But no other explanation makes any sense whatsoever.
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#39
(12-05-2019, 10:41 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 10:21 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 09:50 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 08:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 07:42 AM)stxbuck Wrote: Unless it was strawberry jam on the pavement under his head and the photo was faked, I believe his story. Did he need to be out there playing Paul Blart Mall Cop-no. Did Trayvon bite off more than he could chew and wind up justifiably paying for it-hell yes.

Ignoring the fact that Travyon is a thug and Zimmerman is a moron......

Let's say someone is following you, at night, in the rain.  You turn to confront them and ask them why they're following you and the other person escalates the situation by shoving you, taking a swing at you or (more likely in this case) trying to pull a gun on you.  If you punch them and they end up on the ground, laying in their own blood from a broken nose, does that mean you did something wrong?
Your hypothetical is irrelevant to the case at hand. Martin left and went home THEN returned. Also Martin was on top of him hitting him and pounding his head against a sidewalk. Your hypothetical is a different case not the Martin/Zimmerman one.

Given that we have no way of knowing what actually happened, my hypothetical  is relevant because a small change in the series of events dramatically changes how the incident is viewed. 

Trayvon,  regardless of when he did it, has every right to confront Zimmerman and ask why he's following him.  If Zimmerman unnecessarily escalated the situation, and Trayvon turned the tables in self defense, the whole scenario has a different feel.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, but taking the story of a moron like Zimmerman as the unquestionable truth, when there is no way to verify it, is insanity.
Your hypothetical is irrelevant because it is demonstrably nothing like what happened.
End of story. I believe Zimmerman because looking at what is known and what makes sense fits his story. Unquestionable? No. But no other explanation makes any sense whatsoever.

I said earlier, we really have no idea what happened. Zimmerman's version of the story, but Zimmerman knows that a) there were no other reliable Witnesses and b) Zimmerman clearly wants to save his own ass.

So, again, if Trayvon went back to confront Zimmerman, as any person being followed may choose to do, and Zimmerman escalated situation by taking out his gun, before Trayvon did anything, that changes the tone of the entire story.
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#40
Pointless. The evidence fits the story. Period. If it didn't I would buy it. I'm not going to entertain dumb unlikely scenarios absent any corroboration.
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#41
(12-05-2019, 10:59 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Pointless. The evidence fits the story. Period. If it didn't I would buy it. I'm not going to entertain dumb unlikely scenarios absent any corroboration.

What evidence would show  when Zimmerman pulled out his gun during the confrontation?

What evidence would show that Zimmerman took a swing first in the confrontation?
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#42
(12-04-2019, 07:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:37 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:11 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 05:38 PM)stxbuck Wrote: A-The jury decision regarding Zimmerman was correct-dude was getting his head slammed into concrete and engaged in self defense.
B-Jury verdict aside, Zimmerman is a P.O.S., but that wasnâ€t the issue at trial....
If you accept Zimmerman's version of the story, it was self defense.

Is there another version that's deemed more credible and accurate?

Clearly Zimmerman had a vested interest in his own future when telling the story.

I asked a genuine question and you refuse to engage. Instead, you deflect with nonsensical prattle about Zimmerman's vested interest. Moving on... you must agree that despite the resources of the District Attorney's Office, the prosecutors failed to convince the jury their narrative, their alternate version of the events was accurate and truthful.
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#43
Some moron doesn't get that moronic questions won't be answered. 
Boy Genius had a decent question and the answer was no. Although the person asked didn't seem to know that.
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#44
(12-04-2019, 10:23 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 09:18 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 09:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I probably would shoot them. However, if Trayvon came back to ask Zimmerman why he's following him, and Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation, that changes the situation.
Situation was guy pounding another and possible expiration due to it and so the guy in harm's way shot.  That is end of it.   Asking someone a question doesn't mean you pound them.  Maybe hit them and walk away?  Florida just sentenced a white guy for killing a black who pushed him and he fired.

You don't think the situation changes if Trayvon is defending himself?

Self defense law is defined by the legal concept of Proportional Response >>> LINK.
The courts look at two parameters: 1. intensity and 2. duration when determining if "self defense" conduct is legally justified or criminal.
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#45
(12-05-2019, 11:41 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:37 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:11 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 05:38 PM)stxbuck Wrote: A-The jury decision regarding Zimmerman was correct-dude was getting his head slammed into concrete and engaged in self defense.
B-Jury verdict aside, Zimmerman is a P.O.S., but that wasnâ€t the issue at trial....
If you accept Zimmerman's version of the story, it was self defense.

Is there another version that's deemed more credible and accurate?

Clearly Zimmerman had a vested interest in his own future when telling the story.

I asked a genuine question and you refuse to engage. Instead, you deflect with nonsensical prattle about Zimmerman's vested interest. Moving on... you must agree that despite the resources of the District Attorney's Office, the prosecutors failed to convince the jury their narrative, their alternate version of the events was accurate and truthful.

Ok, so maybe my style of responding is the issue.  I'll try a more direct response...

Is there another version that's deemed more credible and accurate?

No, but that fact doesn't make Zimmerman's version any more credible especially given that a) there were no other witnesses to refute his story and b) the only person able to truly refute his story is dead.
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#46
(12-05-2019, 12:04 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 10:23 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 09:18 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 09:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I probably would shoot them. However, if Trayvon came back to ask Zimmerman why he's following him, and Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation, that changes the situation.
Situation was guy pounding another and possible expiration due to it and so the guy in harm's way shot.  That is end of it.   Asking someone a question doesn't mean you pound them.  Maybe hit them and walk away?  Florida just sentenced a white guy for killing a black who pushed him and he fired.

You don't think the situation changes if Trayvon is defending himself?

Self defense law is defined by the legal concept of Proportional Response >>> LINK.
The courts look at two parameters: 1. intensity and 2. duration when determining if "self defense" conduct is legally justified or criminal.
Even if Zimmerman threw the first punch or was aggressive he would be able to claim self defense when his head was being pounded into the sidewalk or if Martin went for his gun or there was a struggle for the gun. 
Zimmerman actually alleged that Martin went for the gun. I don't believe that part actually. Too convenient. And I don't think he would've have got off such a clean shot. 
Zimmerman pulling a gun on Martin makes little sense either. There definitely was a fight and it was quite a ways in with Zimmerman getting his ass kicked before a shot. Doesn't make sense.
What fits with the evidence is Martin returned, not the act of someone scared, and a fight ensued. From the injuries and previous actions of the two likely initiated by Martin. Zimmerman manages to get his gun out and fires one shot point blank while Martin is on top of him. Self defense. No way a jury or anyone else can decide otherwise.
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#47
(12-05-2019, 08:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-05-2019, 07:42 AM)stxbuck Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 07:11 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(12-04-2019, 05:38 PM)stxbuck Wrote: A-The jury decision regarding Zimmerman was correct-dude was getting his head slammed into concrete and engaged in self defense.
B-Jury verdict aside, Zimmerman is a P.O.S., but that wasnâ€t the issue at trial....
If you accept Zimmerman's version of the story, it was self defense.
Unless it was strawberry jam on the pavement under his head and the photo was faked, I believe his story. Did he need to be out there playing Paul Blart Mall Cop-no. Did Trayvon bite off more than he could chew and wind up justifiably paying for it-hell yes.

Ignoring the fact that Travyon is a thug and Zimmerman is a moron......

Let's . say someone is following you, at night, in the rain.  You turn to confront them and ask them why they're following you and the other person escalates the situation by shoving you, taking a swing at you or (more likely in this case) trying to pull a gun on you.  If you punch them and they end up on the ground, laying in their own blood from a broken nose, does that mean you did something wrong?
In your hypothetical, you are asking if Trayvon did anything egregiously wrong. If he wasnâ€t the one charged with a crime(obviously not, heâ€s dead), the question is irrelevant. He very well might not have done anything criminal by getting into the scuffle, but NEITHER did Zimmerman by engaging in self defense. Being or not being an idiot-on either side of this conflict, and criminal liability are completely different questions.
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#48
With the evidence backing or not refuting Zimmerman's version there is no reason to question credibility. Live with it. It's clear to reasonable people it was far more likely than not self defense.
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