(12-03-2019, 04:38 PM)zigbee Wrote: (12-03-2019, 04:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: You need a link to tell you that smart people have smart kids, and that athletic people have athletic kids? And you are a teacher? I am a teacher and for your information there is NO GENE for intelligence or athletic ability.  None. You can make things up if you wish but no one is buying the bull *****. Intelligence can be enhanced with an environment that nurtures it and promotes learning for people who do well on intelligence tests. And just for you information since you are so consumed with this topic there are plenty of fast people who are strong and can jump high of all races.  We all have blood from all races in us.
True intelligence (The type measured by IQ tests) is genetic or, at the very least, there is no evidence that it can be changed significantly by anything environmental. This is a current scientific fact.
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Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
(12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Broca†s and Wernicke†s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb
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(12-03-2019, 06:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 04:38 PM)zigbee Wrote: (12-03-2019, 04:32 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: You need a link to tell you that smart people have smart kids, and that athletic people have athletic kids? And you are a teacher? I am a teacher and for your information there is NO GENE for intelligence or athletic ability.  None. You can make things up if you wish but no one is buying the bull *****. Intelligence can be enhanced with an environment that nurtures it and promotes learning for people who do well on intelligence tests. And just for your information since you are so consumed with this topic there are plenty of fast people who are strong and can jump high of all races.  We all have blood from all races in us.
True intelligence (The type measured by IQ tests) is genetic or, at the very least, there is no evidence that it can be changed significantly by anything environmental. This is a current scientific fact. No one takes those IQ tests as a blank slate. AND those scores can and do change as one ages. Does heredity have a part in it? Of course but it's ONE factor.
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(12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
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(12-03-2019, 03:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: Can we get link on smart gene and athletic gene? Sure, this guy will submit one!
(12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it.
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(12-03-2019, 10:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it.
Actually you can by things like breast feeding and singing to your kids (even when in the womb). They can't increase it? There are crack babies.
(12-04-2019, 03:21 AM)maizegoblue Wrote: (12-03-2019, 10:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it.
Actually you can by things like breast feeding and singing to your kids (even when in the womb). They can't increase it? There are crack babies. I think of general intelligence (g) like the foundation of a house. Some people are born with a 20,000 square foot foundation and some are born with a 2000 square foot Foundation. There are things you can do to maximize what's built on that Foundation, but the size of the foundation can never be increased, only decreased. Â
Are there things you can do to help your child maximize there general intelligence? Yes. But, scientifically speaking, there is no evidence that IQ / general intelligence can be increased Beyond what's our genetic makeup dictates.
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(12-03-2019, 10:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it. Again overstated. You can†t increase the maximum potential but environment will effect how close you get to that maximum potential. This is too complicated for someone of your intelligence.
(12-04-2019, 07:49 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 10:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 06:49 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Overstated. Environment can influence almost everything. If Usain Bolt has a kid with Florence Griffith Joyner that kid is probably gonna be pretty fast. Unless malnourished as an infant and develops rickets then probably not. There is always some component of environment. Think of heredity as potential and complex traits like athleticism, artistic/musical talent, and intelligence can be influenced toward the maximal or minimal end of a potential range. Is your cholesterol influenced by heredity? Yes. Will it change with environment? Yes. Or say something more complex like coronary artery disease. Is risk heritable? Yes. Can environment make that risk better or worse? Yes. Things aren't so black and white guys.
Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it. Again overstated. You canâ€t increase the maximum potential but environment will effect how close you get to that maximum potential. This is too complicated for someone of your intelligence.
Not overstated at all. What you said and what I said are exactly the same thing. I can read all the books I want, I can take all of the college courses I want, I can watch all the documentaries I want, but I will never be able to increase my IQ / general intelligence. I will only be able to work toward maximizing what I was genetically given. This is why you see trends among races.
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(12-04-2019, 08:03 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-04-2019, 07:49 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 10:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (12-03-2019, 08:40 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (12-03-2019, 07:06 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Environment is a factor in a lot of things, 'g' (general intelligence) is not one of them. People with all IQs can be impacted by their environment, but there is a base intelligence measurement that, as far as we know right now, is strictly genetic.
IQ is inherited, suggests twin study
Genes have a very strong influence over how certain parts of our brains develop, scientists in the US and Finland have found. And the parts most influenced are those that govern our cognitive ability. In short, you inherit your IQ.
Paul Thompson at the University of California at Los Angeles and his colleagues used MRI to scan the brains of 10 pairs of identical and 10 pairs of fraternal twins. Identical twins have identical genes, whereas fraternal twins sharing on average half their genes. The twins shared environments, means researchers can separate genetic and environmental factors.
The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Brocaâ€s and Wernickeâ€s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.
In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...z675lwF6Zb Which is partly what I said. If twin B is hit in the head and has a brain bleed and he ends up with an IQ of essentially zero what effect did environment have? You inherit potential and that can be maximized or minimized by environment. Without significant environmental input intelligence will fall in a pretty narrow range because it is a heritable trait. Significant input can move the needle a little toward max potential but it can cause fairly large moves toward minimum potential as I noted.
Yes, you can inhibit your potential, but IQ/g, all else being equal, is inherited. You can't increase it. Again overstated. You canâ€t increase the maximum potential but environment will effect how close you get to that maximum potential. This is too complicated for someone of your intelligence.
Not overstated at all. What you said and what I said are exactly the same thing. I can read all the books I want, I can take all of the college courses I want, I can watch all the documentaries I want, but I will never be able to increase my IQ / general intelligence. I will only be able to work toward maximizing what I was genetically given. This is why you see trends among races. That's tragic.
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