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Ex GOP sign letter urging GOP to block the NE
#49
(02-26-2019, 03:05 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(02-26-2019, 03:02 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I support Trump building an appropriate wall(meaning where it's feasible and logical) to stop the flow of illegal immigration.  

I don't see where he's fought the fight in Congress, gathering Republican support in the 2 years that he had control of Congress, and waited essentially to pick a fight over it when the Dems won the House thru a governmental shutdown.

So, with that said, I'm not sure he did what he could have done to necessitate being at this point.  To where it opens the door for the next Democratic president to use it for their campaign promised item.... "We have a student loan debt national emergency!!!!"

He compromised with a promise from the House Speaker that was broken.  You are asking Trump to only play the game according to the rules of those who wish to stop him.  That only guarantees no wall will ever be built.

Which speaker?  Pelosi or Ryan?  I'm not remembering what you are referring to.
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#50
I don't think this opens any door at all.  This border is a legitimate crisis.  Student loan debt, "climate change," and whatever other psychotic lib cause de jour is not an emergency in any way shape or form.  You guys acting like the Dems play by the rules just slay me.  The door was ripped wide open for them a long time ago.  They don't give a damn about the constitution or any gentlemanly process.  

National emergencies have been declared before that were less legit than this.  Quit playing into their hand.  I am done with those punks.
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#51
I don't think Democrats play by the rules. Haven't for a long time.

Question is.....should I require my party representative? And if I don't.....what do I have? Anarchy.
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#52
(02-26-2019, 04:16 PM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I don't think Democrats play by the rules.  Haven't for a long time.

Question is.....should I require my party representative?  And if I don't.....what do I have?  Anarchy.

But this isn't outside the rules.  Congress gave the president this power back in the 70s.  Some of you act like Trump would be the first to ever use it.  

This guy gets elected and gets thrwarted almost every damn step of the way on virtually everything he ran on.  Often times by his own party.  And then 10 years from now people will comment on how Trump didn't get anything done.  Hell I can hear it already.  

Fact is that we have a Democratic party that is anti American.  It's as simple as that.  Those people are a ####### menace. It's not like this is some pet project for Trump.  This is national security!  So ####### fed up with this *****.
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#53
Trump would be the first to ask Congress for monies and THEN when that failed divert other monies to this project.

That is unique and singular and bad, IMHO.
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#54
(02-26-2019, 04:26 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Trump would be the first to ask Congress for monies and THEN when that failed divert other monies to this project.

That is unique and singular and bad, IMHO.

He could have diverted those funds anyway.
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#55
If so, then he should have done it two years ago if this was an emergency.

An emergency is not a thing that allows for delay if you have recourse.

I've stated I think the courts will not rule on the emergency nature of this, but on what funds can be diverted and what cannot, and they will rule narrowly and right down the middle, almost.
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#56
(02-26-2019, 04:35 PM)cincydawg Wrote: If so, then he should have done it two years ago if this was an emergency.

An emergency is not a thing that allows for delay if you have recourse.

I've stated I think the courts will not rule on the emergency nature of this, but on what funds can be diverted and what cannot, and they will rule narrowly and right down the middle, almost.

It's been a national emergency for at least 20 years.  Someone FINALLY steps up to the plate to actually address the problem in a real, tangible manner and...  he gets stonewalled.  If he loses in court he should make a spectacle of it and literally wash his hands on camera.  Hang this SOB around the necks of the Dems and the McCain "Republicans."   Those people OWN this.
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#57
He's been in office two years plus. It's not an emergency in my mind using the normal definition.

But I think he'll be able to use some of the money that was not clearly allocated for other stuff.
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#58
During Fiscal Year 2018, more than 50,000 UACs were apprehended after illegally crossing the border between ports of entry, according to the 2018 Southwest Border Migration Report published by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Nearly 9,000 more were crossed at legal ports of entry.
During the first four months of Fiscal Year 2019, nearly 22,000 unaccompanied minors came into federal custody after illegally crossing the border between ports of entry (20,123) or at legal ports of entry (1,621).

Since President Barack Obama implemented his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in 2012, the numbers of migrant children housed by the federal government jumped more than 450 percent
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#59
We need better illegal immigration controls and the wall should help with that so I am for the wall.

I'm against the emergency funding for the reason mentioned above that it is a very slippery slope.

This whole thing just shines another spotlight on our shitty system -- we have a gridlocked congress and nothing gets done. Special interests and special/individual agenda's kill everything productive. Big pharma, insurance, etc. plus the establishment parties just gridlock everything. It seems only ego maniacs and idiots want to hold office in Washington.
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#60
What is this slippery slope?  When previous presidents used it I don't recall any concern over a slippery slope ever.  Not once.  This is unique to Trump, and it's getting tiring.
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