Ex GOP sign letter urging GOP to block the NE

[P1tchblack]

Look them up.  Few reach the level of a national emergency like our border situation.

Our border situation isn't an emergency.  If anything, the illegals already here are the emergency.  The national debt is more of an emergency.

Again, it has NEVER happened where the President was denied funding by Congress and used an NE to circumvent congress.

Trump is acting like a child.  He rolled the dice with the shutdown, he lost and now he needs to be grow up and deal with it.

Wrong.  It has actually been an emergency for decades.  Unfortunately the politicians from both parties sold the country down the river instead of doing their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign invaders.

By their very definition, emergencies don't last for decades.  If it were to be treated as an emergency, it  would have been done decades ago when it was FIRST realized that mexicans were illegally crossing the border in large numbers.

You are wrong about that too.  The emergency existed.  We just ignored it.

Yes, the emergency existed decades ago.  The damage is done.  The  small amount, percentage wise, that crosses the border now is not an emergency.  It's as much of an emergency as a house in New Orleans, that's 50% under water after Katrina, declaring that a leaky faucet is an emergency.

You and other R's are using all of the mental gymnastics at your disposal to try to justify this because you hate Democrats and are pissed that Trump lost his bet on the government shut down.

[cincydawg]

A heart attack is an emergency. Being obese is not.

[Hightop77]

Our border situation isn't an emergency.  If anything, the illegals already here are the emergency.  The national debt is more of an emergency.

Again, it has NEVER happened where the President was denied funding by Congress and used an NE to circumvent congress.

Trump is acting like a child.  He rolled the dice with the shutdown, he lost and now he needs to be grow up and deal with it.

Wrong.  It has actually been an emergency for decades.  Unfortunately the politicians from both parties sold the country down the river instead of doing their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign invaders.

By their very definition, emergencies don't last for decades.  If it were to be treated as an emergency, it  would have been done decades ago when it was FIRST realized that mexicans were illegally crossing the border in large numbers.

You are wrong about that too.  The emergency existed.  We just ignored it.

Yes, the emergency existed decades ago.  The damage is done.  The  small amount, percentage wise, that crosses the border now is not an emergency.  It's as much of an emergency as a house in New Orleans, that's 50% under water after Katrina, declaring that a leaky faucet is an emergency.

You and other R's are using all of the mental gymnastics at your disposal to try to justify this because you hate Democrats and are pissed that Trump lost his bet on the government shut down.

That is not true either.  Excessive amounts of contraband and criminals continue to flow across the border.  Lives are at risk.

[jmesser1982]

The open border folks will win this fight.we will continue to be flooded by people uneducated, homeless, many with criminal histories or carrying disease. Meanwhile at this very minute the Dems are trying to take away access of normal, law abiding citizens to have access to guns.Throwing up more roadblocks.
This is what happens when an empire crumbles.

[P1tchblack]

Wrong.  It has actually been an emergency for decades.  Unfortunately the politicians from both parties sold the country down the river instead of doing their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign invaders.

By their very definition, emergencies don't last for decades.  If it were to be treated as an emergency, it  would have been done decades ago when it was FIRST realized that mexicans were illegally crossing the border in large numbers.

You are wrong about that too.  The emergency existed.  We just ignored it.

Yes, the emergency existed decades ago.  The damage is done.  The  small amount, percentage wise, that crosses the border now is not an emergency.  It's as much of an emergency as a house in New Orleans, that's 50% under water after Katrina, declaring that a leaky faucet is an emergency.

You and other R's are using all of the mental gymnastics at your disposal to try to justify this because you hate Democrats and are pissed that Trump lost his bet on the government shut down.

That is not true either.  Excessive amounts of contraband and criminals continue to flow across the border.  Lives are at risk.

Lives are at risk from fast food and cigarettes every day, too.  You can try to spin this all you want, but it's not an emergency. Like Cincy said: a heart attack is an emergency; being obese is not.  The US is obese with illegals.  If they all decided to wage war from inside the US, it would be a legitimate emergency.  You don't operate "business as usual", as the US was/is doing, during a LEGITIMATE emergency.

[P1tchblack]

The open border folks who understand why there are 3 branches of government and who controls funding will win this fight. Until congress approves a bill to fund the construction of a border wall, we will continue to be flooded by people uneducated, homeless, many with criminal histories or carrying disease. 

FIFY

[Hightop77]

By their very definition, emergencies don't last for decades.  If it were to be treated as an emergency, it  would have been done decades ago when it was FIRST realized that mexicans were illegally crossing the border in large numbers.

You are wrong about that too.  The emergency existed.  We just ignored it.

Yes, the emergency existed decades ago.  The damage is done.  The  small amount, percentage wise, that crosses the border now is not an emergency.  It's as much of an emergency as a house in New Orleans, that's 50% under water after Katrina, declaring that a leaky faucet is an emergency.

You and other R's are using all of the mental gymnastics at your disposal to try to justify this because you hate Democrats and are pissed that Trump lost his bet on the government shut down.

That is not true either.  Excessive amounts of contraband and criminals continue to flow across the border.  Lives are at risk.

Lives are at risk from fast food and cigarettes every day, too.  You can try to spin this all you want, but it's not an emergency. Like Cincy said: a heart attack is an emergency; being obese is not.  The US is obese with illegals.  If they all decided to wage war from inside the US, it would be a legitimate emergency.  You don't operate "business as usual", as the US was/is doing, during a LEGITIMATE emergency.

Fast food and cigarettes are legal and take decades to kill you.  An illegal alien can kill you in a second.  Slight difference.
American are owed protection by their government from foreign threats.

[BigDroppa]

President Barack Obama

Oct. 23, 2009: Declaration of a National Emergency With Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic was never terminated or continued.
April 12, 2010 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia, continued in 2018.
Feb. 25, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya, continued in February 2018.
July 24, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations, continued in July 2018.
May 16, 2012 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen, continued in May 2012.
June 25, 2012: Blocking Property of the Government of the Russian Federation Relating to the Disposition of Highly Enriched Uranium Extracted from Nuclear Weapons, revoked in 2015.
March 6, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine, continued in March 2018.
April 3, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan, continued in March 2018.
May 12, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic, continued in May 2018.
March 8, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela, continued in March 2018.
April 1, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities, continued in March 2018.
Nov. 22, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi, continued in November 2018.
President Donald Trump

Dec. 20, 2017: Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.
Sept. 12, 2018: Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.
Nov. 27, 2018: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua.

[Hightop77]

President Barack Obama

Oct. 23, 2009: Declaration of a National Emergency With Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic was never terminated or continued.
April 12, 2010 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia, continued in 2018.
Feb. 25, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya, continued in February 2018.
July 24, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations, continued in July 2018.
May 16, 2012 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen, continued in May 2012.
June 25, 2012: Blocking Property of the Government of the Russian Federation Relating to the Disposition of Highly Enriched Uranium Extracted from Nuclear Weapons, revoked in 2015.
March 6, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine, continued in March 2018.
April 3, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan, continued in March 2018.
May 12, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic, continued in May 2018.
March 8, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela, continued in March 2018.
April 1, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities, continued in March 2018.
Nov. 22, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi, continued in November 2018.
President Donald Trump

Dec. 20, 2017: Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.
Sept. 12, 2018: Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.
Nov. 27, 2018: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua.

And not a single person wringing their hands over Trump's use of this provision said a word about any of those.  We truly have too many sheep in this country who are just suckers for what the media tells them.

[Alabuckeye]

President Barack Obama

Oct. 23, 2009: Declaration of a National Emergency With Respect to the 2009 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic was never terminated or continued.
April 12, 2010 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia, continued in 2018.
Feb. 25, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya, continued in February 2018.
July 24, 2011 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations, continued in July 2018.
May 16, 2012 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen, continued in May 2012.
June 25, 2012: Blocking Property of the Government of the Russian Federation Relating to the Disposition of Highly Enriched Uranium Extracted from Nuclear Weapons, revoked in 2015.
March 6, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine, continued in March 2018.
April 3, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan, continued in March 2018.
May 12, 2014 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic, continued in May 2018.
March 8, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela, continued in March 2018.
April 1, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities, continued in March 2018.
Nov. 22, 2015 (still in effect): Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi, continued in November 2018.
President Donald Trump

Dec. 20, 2017: Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.
Sept. 12, 2018: Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.
Nov. 27, 2018: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua.

which one of these bypassed the constitutional authority of Congress as it regards to appropriations and expenditures?

[P1tchblack]

You are wrong about that too.  The emergency existed.  We just ignored it.

Yes, the emergency existed decades ago.  The damage is done.  The  small amount, percentage wise, that crosses the border now is not an emergency.  It's as much of an emergency as a house in New Orleans, that's 50% under water after Katrina, declaring that a leaky faucet is an emergency.

You and other R's are using all of the mental gymnastics at your disposal to try to justify this because you hate Democrats and are pissed that Trump lost his bet on the government shut down.

That is not true either.  Excessive amounts of contraband and criminals continue to flow across the border.  Lives are at risk.

Lives are at risk from fast food and cigarettes every day, too.  You can try to spin this all you want, but it's not an emergency. Like Cincy said: a heart attack is an emergency; being obese is not.  The US is obese with illegals.  If they all decided to wage war from inside the US, it would be a legitimate emergency.  You don't operate "business as usual", as the US was/is doing, during a LEGITIMATE emergency.

Fast food and cigarettes are legal and take decades to kill you.  An illegal alien can kill you in a second.  Slight difference.
American are owed protection by their government from foreign threats.

Correct.  Americans should be protected from foreign threats and there are things that can be done, within the confines of the constitution, to protect Americans.  The small # of illegals crossing now are not an emergency.

I'm not going to convince you and I'm done trying. I hope that some people on this forum, who may have been on the fence, see how bad of an idea this is for the country.  You are willing to rationalize this 'til your death to make it ok in your mind and that's fine because you are this close to getting that wall.  So close you can taste it. You are willing to lie to yourself to convince yourself that Trump is doing the right thing when he's not.

The ends justifies the means.

[Alabuckeye]

I'm not concerned that the wall is the right thing. I think it is, within context. I'm concerned that he's doing it the wrong way.

[P1tchblack]

^^^^exactly^^^^

[Hightop77]

I'm not concerned that the wall is the right thing.  I think it is, within context.  I'm concerned that he's doing it the wrong way.

This is a knife fight and every trick in the book has been used to prevent Trump from succeeding.  If what he is doing is legal, then it must be done.

[Alabuckeye]

I'm not concerned that the wall is the right thing.  I think it is, within context.  I'm concerned that he's doing it the wrong way.

This is a knife fight and every trick in the book has been used to prevent Trump from succeeding.  If what he is doing is legal, then it must be done.

that's the nature though of our checks and balances governmental system, yes?