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Late Stage Credit Bubble? Debt Growth Is Not Economic Growth...
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More Borrowers Are Going Underwater on Car Loans... $45,000 Loan for a $27,000 Ride.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-45-000-lo...1573295400

John Schricker took out a loan to buy a car in 2017. Then he took out another. And then another. In two years, the 40-year-old electrician signed up for four auto loans, each time trading in the previous car and rolling the unpaid balance into the next loan. He recently bought a $27,000 Jeep Cherokee with a $45,000 loan from Ally Financial Inc.

Consumers, salespeople and lenders are treating cars a lot like houses during the last financial crisis: by piling on debt to such a degree that it often exceeds the carâ€s value. This phenomenon—referred to as negative equity, or being underwater—can leave car owners trapped. Some 33% of people who traded in cars to buy new ones in the first nine months of 2019 had negative equity, compared with 28% five years ago and 19% a decade ago, according to car-shopping site Edmunds.

Easy lending standards are perpetuating the cycle, with lenders routinely making car loans with low or no down payments that can last seven years or longer.

Borrowers are responsible for paying their remaining debt even after they get rid of the vehicle tied to it. When subsequently buying another car, they can roll this old debt into a new loan. The lender that originates the new loan typically pays off the old lender, and the consumer then owes the balance from both cars to the new lender. The transactions are often encouraged by dealerships, which now make more money on arranging financing than on selling cars.

“These arenâ€t Rolls-Royces,” said David Goldsmith, a lawyer who defends consumers in auto cases. “Theyâ€re Ford Escapes.”
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New Type of Credit Score Aims to Widen Pool of Borrowers... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/your-...tion=click&contentCollection=business&contentPlacement=2&module=stream_unit&pgtype=collection®ion=stream&rref=collection/timestopic/Fair+Isaac+Corporation&version=latest

Consumers with less-than-stellar or borderline credit scores may soon have a new option to help them qualify for loans and credit cards.
Fair Isaac Corporation, creator of the widely used FICO credit score, said it would test a new score that considers a borrowerâ€s bank account balances and cash management behavior as a supplement to a traditional credit score.

The new score, UltraFico, will be tested early next year with Experian, one of the three big credit reporting bureaus, and offered as an option to consumers whose traditional credit score alone would not qualify them for a loan.
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#3
The buyer is the victim. Heâ€s a moron that HAD to have 2 new cars and when he saw his friends leapfrog his ass he got envious and had to have another double dose of getting ripped off. Maybe heâ€ll like his car in 12 years who knows. It would be great if he sued and said it wasnâ€t his fault, that he really is a moron and the evil car sharks ripped him off.
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#4
We don't live in business cycles, we live in credit cycles.
How long until this credit cycle/bubble pops? My over/under is 18 months.
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#5
Reminds me of the infamous “predatory lenders” of 10–20 years ago.  Lol.  Damn people.  Quit acting like a 4 year old on a sugar high.  “Predatory lending.”  Lmao.  Get some damn impulse control.  

You guys ever hear those wipe your debt free commercials on the radio?   They slay me.  Itâ€s like you had no role in piling up the massive debt.  Obviously Iâ€m not referring to people with devastating illnesses or anything else beyond their control.  Itâ€s just the general implication that people without self control are somehow some sort of victim.
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#6
I'm not sure what you can do to help people that dumb. You can put in regulations regarding lending but in the end someone that stupid is going to lose his shirt somewhere, somehow. I guess he's better off in that situation than being in debt to mob type loan sharks like in the past. Now he'll just be broke and have bad credit but he'll keep his thumbs and kneecaps.
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(11-12-2019, 06:40 AM)BigDroppa Wrote: The buyer is the victim. Heâ€s a moron that HAD to have 2 new cars and when he saw his friends leapfrog his ass he got envious and had to have another double dose of getting ripped off. Maybe heâ€ll like his car in 12 years who knows. It would be great if he sued and said it wasnâ€t his fault, that he really is a moron and the evil car sharks ripped him off.

Yup. Fools going into debt worrying about what other folks think.
The America, and the American Military, that you once knew is gone.
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Quote:More Borrowers Are Going Underwater on Car Loans... $45,000 Loan for a $27,000 Ride.


I laugh at these type of people. Stop starting the day with that big bowl of stupid.
The America, and the American Military, that you once knew is gone.
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#9
We've sold the idea since the 1970's that the "American Dream" involves greater and greater consumption.....and consuming NOW....and paying LATER. Just a horrible basis to live on.
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