(11-13-2019, 01:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: The problem you are having with Trump and the parts you are overlooking concerns what he addressed: immigration, jobs, putting America first cutting taxes...those things were not jokes or caricatures or anything stupid.  They are real issues people care about.
I'm not overlooking those items at all. Immigration and terrorism were two of the primary reasons people voted for Trump (despite the MSM/Hollywood's historical push against him). It doesn't change the fact that Trump was an embarrassment as a person/candidate. He just greatly benefited from the Left's tone-deafness and the fact that their candidate was the second worst ever.
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(11-13-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 01:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: The problem you are having with Trump and the parts you are overlooking concerns what he addressed: immigration, jobs, putting America first cutting taxes...those things were not jokes or caricatures or anything stupid.  They are real issues people care about.
I'm not overlooking those items at all. Immigration and terrorism were two of the primary reasons people voted for Trump (despite the MSM/Hollywood's historical push against him). It doesn't change the fact that Trump was an embarrassment as a person/candidate. He just greatly benefited from the Left's tone-deafness and the fact that their candidate was the second worst ever. How was Bill Clinton any better? Rape? Molestation? Exposing himself? Infidelity? It was all known yet he was elected twice?  The ME#2 movement is blasting him now...
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(11-13-2019, 01:59 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 01:55 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 01:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: The problem you are having with Trump and the parts you are overlooking concerns what he addressed: immigration, jobs, putting America first cutting taxes...those things were not jokes or caricatures or anything stupid.  They are real issues people care about.
I'm not overlooking those items at all. Immigration and terrorism were two of the primary reasons people voted for Trump (despite the MSM/Hollywood's historical push against him). It doesn't change the fact that Trump was an embarrassment as a person/candidate. He just greatly benefited from the Left's tone-deafness and the fact that their candidate was the second worst ever. How was Bill Clinton any better? Rape? Molestation? Exposing himself? Infidelity? It was all known yet he was elected twice?  The ME#2 movement is blasting him now...
Bill Clinton was accused of a lot of things and there was very likely truth in many/most of those accusations. Kind of like Kavanaugh, we'll never really know for sure. But, Clinton was charismatic and "Presidential" for the most part. Trump behaved like a monstrous d-bag on a daily basis while campaigning. He has little tact, class or professionalism.
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A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
(11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real.
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(11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
(11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
like clockwork.... no answer, but childish insults. At least you're predictable! Do you have Tourette Syndrome?
(11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2
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(11-13-2019, 03:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2 So, instead of admitting the truth about Clinton, which has had many women come forward, collaboration of this by others, you pivot to the nonsense on Kavanaugh and THEN SAY Clinton was presidential???? He freaking had sex with a subordinate???? He was impeached over lying under oath! You are beyond help.
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(11-13-2019, 03:40 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:48 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: A comparison of the absurd made up completely political allegations made against Brett Kavanaugh and the serial abuser Slick Willie is beyond ridiculous.
Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2 So, instead of admitting the truth about Clinton, which has had many women come forward, collaboration of this by others, you pivot to the nonsense on Kavanaugh and THEN SAY Clinton was presidential???? He freaking had sex with a subordinate???? He was impeached over lying under oath! You are beyond help.
Perhaps you want to read what I wrote above:
Bill Clinton was accused of a lot of things and there was very likely truth in many/most of those accusations. Kind of like Kavanaugh, we'll never really know for sure. But, Clinton was charismatic and "Presidential" for the most part. Trump behaved like a monstrous d-bag on a daily basis while campaigning. He has little tact, class or professionalism.
I'm leaving personal life out when discussing behavior of Clinton and Trump and looking at behavior when they were president and/or presidential candidates. I'm not a Clinton fan and I'm damn sure not a Trump fan, but if you can't see the clear difference in behavior, I can't help you.
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(11-13-2019, 03:46 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:40 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: (11-13-2019, 02:56 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Let me guess... all of the allegations against Kavanaugh were fake and all allegations against Clinton were real. Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2 So, instead of admitting the truth about Clinton, which has had many women come forward, collaboration of this by others, you pivot to the nonsense on Kavanaugh and THEN SAY Clinton was presidential???? He freaking had sex with a subordinate???? He was impeached over lying under oath! You are beyond help.
Perhaps you want to read what I wrote above:
Bill Clinton was accused of a lot of things and there was very likely truth in many/most of those accusations. Kind of like Kavanaugh, we'll never really know for sure. But, Clinton was charismatic and "Presidential" for the most part. Trump behaved like a monstrous d-bag on a daily basis while campaigning. He has little tact, class or professionalism.
I'm leaving personal life out when discussing behavior of Clinton and Trump and looking at behavior when they were president and/or presidential candidates. I'm not a Clinton fan and I'm damn sure not a Trump fan, but if you can't see the clear difference in behavior, I can't help you.
Not at all like Kavanaugh. Not even CLOSE.  There were people brought forward who categorically denied the silly accusations of Blassey-Ford, and she was so fuzzy with her claims nothing could be substantiated like with Clinton with his bodyguards, etc while he was governor.  Please, you are making yourself look bad here.
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1. There's a reason polygraphs aren't admissible in court. Much like sociology "research" it's bullchit.
2. The lady is crazy and I have no doubt she has talked herself into believing that fantasy.Â
I'm still not guessing about you.
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(11-13-2019, 03:49 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:46 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:40 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2 So, instead of admitting the truth about Clinton, which has had many women come forward, collaboration of this by others, you pivot to the nonsense on Kavanaugh and THEN SAY Clinton was presidential???? He freaking had sex with a subordinate???? He was impeached over lying under oath! You are beyond help.
Perhaps you want to read what I wrote above:
Bill Clinton was accused of a lot of things and there was very likely truth in many/most of those accusations. Kind of like Kavanaugh, we'll never really know for sure. But, Clinton was charismatic and "Presidential" for the most part. Trump behaved like a monstrous d-bag on a daily basis while campaigning. He has little tact, class or professionalism.
I'm leaving personal life out when discussing behavior of Clinton and Trump and looking at behavior when they were president and/or presidential candidates. I'm not a Clinton fan and I'm damn sure not a Trump fan, but if you can't see the clear difference in behavior, I can't help you.
Not at all like Kavanaugh. Not even CLOSE.  There were people brought forward who categorically denied the silly accusations of Blassey-Ford, and she was so fuzzy with her claims nothing could be substantiated like with Clinton with his bodyguards, etc while he was governor.  Please, you are making yourself look bad here. He's making himself look like he always looks here.
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People looking back on Clinton now see a good time charlie and a clown and a predator. He's now a grifter with his old hag wife. Presidential??????????? LOL If this is the type of person P1tch sees as presidential we really have nothing more to discuss. CASE CLOSED.
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(11-13-2019, 03:49 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:46 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:40 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:26 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 03:01 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Let me guess , wait I'm not guessing, you're an idiot. How about one had credible allegations against him including settlements and a dress with his DNA on it over long periods of time even before he ran for POTUS and a tacit admission of infidelity from his wife. Versus absurd partisan out of nowhere four decades later claims that weren't in any way credible.
Which allegation against Kavanaugh would you say sounded at all plausible? And we'd like to hear why you think it plausible. This should be good.
Oh, but to answer your (clearly ill-informed) question, here's certified polygraph results showing that she wasn't lying about any part of her story. What? Fox News didn't tell you?Â
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/...ocument/p2 So, instead of admitting the truth about Clinton, which has had many women come forward, collaboration of this by others, you pivot to the nonsense on Kavanaugh and THEN SAY Clinton was presidential???? He freaking had sex with a subordinate???? He was impeached over lying under oath! You are beyond help.
Perhaps you want to read what I wrote above:
Bill Clinton was accused of a lot of things and there was very likely truth in many/most of those accusations. Kind of like Kavanaugh, we'll never really know for sure. But, Clinton was charismatic and "Presidential" for the most part. Trump behaved like a monstrous d-bag on a daily basis while campaigning. He has little tact, class or professionalism.
I'm leaving personal life out when discussing behavior of Clinton and Trump and looking at behavior when they were president and/or presidential candidates. I'm not a Clinton fan and I'm damn sure not a Trump fan, but if you can't see the clear difference in behavior, I can't help you.
Not at all like Kavanaugh. Not even CLOSE.  There were people brought forward who categorically denied the silly accusations of Blassey-Ford, and she was so fuzzy with her claims nothing could be substantiated like with Clinton with his bodyguards, etc while he was governor.  Please, you are making yourself look bad here.
"Like" in that we will never truly know what really happened. However, plenty of people backed her claims:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...lete-list/
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