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(11-12-2019, 08:10 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:06 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 07:46 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 07:18 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Most people don't look at things as left v right or politically for that matter.
I know you understand how far left the media is. They dictate what the socialist masses (otherwise known as democrats) and anyone else who is in the audience and may be pliable, listen to and hence believe as truth. People do look at things as left v right whether they are totally aware or not. Look at how they've treated Trump. Accusation and innuendo (with no truth) continuously for three years in order to bring down an elected president because, well, they don't like him. You would say the majority want Trump removed but this is all driven by lies and the socialist/media. Something your party leaders say or some news hack saying it on the boob tube gets pounded into your head enough it can be looked at as simple charity or the truth but in reality it is just being brainwashed. You are not the simpleton you pretend to be. You are quite aware of the realities of politics and mass media in these times. Stop playing dumb and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. DACA was purely political and needs to be reversed.
Do you agree that the full force of the left media, Hollywood, etc were in full force against Trump when he won? So? They were the same vs both Bush and Reagan.  What does that have to do with things?
The media doesn't matter except for those who obsess about it and 99% of those people know who they're voting for before the candidate's are determined.
You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
(11-12-2019, 08:27 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:10 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:06 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 07:46 PM)dunefan Wrote: I know you understand how far left the media is. They dictate what the socialist masses (otherwise known as democrats) and anyone else who is in the audience and may be pliable, listen to and hence believe as truth. People do look at things as left v right whether they are totally aware or not. Look at how they've treated Trump. Accusation and innuendo (with no truth) continuously for three years in order to bring down an elected president because, well, they don't like him. You would say the majority want Trump removed but this is all driven by lies and the socialist/media. Something your party leaders say or some news hack saying it on the boob tube gets pounded into your head enough it can be looked at as simple charity or the truth but in reality it is just being brainwashed. You are not the simpleton you pretend to be. You are quite aware of the realities of politics and mass media in these times. Stop playing dumb and stop arguing for the sake of arguing. DACA was purely political and needs to be reversed.
Do you agree that the full force of the left media, Hollywood, etc were in full force against Trump when he won? So? They were the same vs both Bush and Reagan.  What does that have to do with things?
The media doesn't matter except for those who obsess about it and 99% of those people know who they're voting for before the candidate's are determined.
You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
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(11-12-2019, 09:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:27 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:10 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:06 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:02 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Do you agree that the full force of the left media, Hollywood, etc were in full force against Trump when he won? So? They were the same vs both Bush and Reagan.  What does that have to do with things?
The media doesn't matter except for those who obsess about it and 99% of those people know who they're voting for before the candidate's are determined.
You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
(11-12-2019, 09:26 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:27 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:10 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:06 PM)zigbee Wrote: So? They were the same vs both Bush and Reagan.  What does that have to do with things?
The media doesn't matter except for those who obsess about it and 99% of those people know who they're voting for before the candidate's are determined.
You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
If media sways voters, Hillary should have won.
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(11-12-2019, 09:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:26 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:27 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:10 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: The media doesn't matter except for those who obsess about it and 99% of those people know who they're voting for before the candidate's are determined.
You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
If media sways voters, Hillary should have won. Uh, here is an UPDATE for you: SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
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(11-12-2019, 09:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:26 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 08:27 PM)dunefan Wrote: You are wrong. 90% negative press will sway public opinion. Certainly the public that want to be swayed (socialists) and many who don't have a clue they are being swayed (typical American). Continuous negative stories and outright lies about anything will turn most people negatively toward that subject. When the highest people in government are responsible for these negative stories and outright lies then we have all the making for a coup. Sh!t is about to hit the fan. I hope you enjoy it as much as I will.
Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
If media sways voters, Hillary should have won. Uh, here is an UPDATE for you: SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
It's like you have to hold him by the hand and lead him to each data point. He'll now ask "then how did she lose the election?"
(11-13-2019, 01:51 AM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:26 PM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:04 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Apparently Trump supporters didn't get the memo in 2016.
I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
If media sways voters, Hillary should have won. Uh, here is an UPDATE for you: SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
It's like you have to hold him by the hand and lead him to each data point. He'll now ask "then how did she lose the election?"
Both of you guys are missing the very obvious point and it's one that I made earlier. 90% or more of the media (online/TV) was squarely against Trump. A huge majority of other well-known people (Hollywood/TV), with a public forum, were also against Trump, at least those that expressed an opinion. No president in my lifetime had the media so much against him. Yet Trump still won the election
If the media has the influence you all claim it does, unless elections are scored like golf , how did Trump win?
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(11-13-2019, 06:51 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 01:51 AM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:26 PM)dunefan Wrote: I see you are taking my advice and not arguing when you see the errors of your ways. Â Enjoy the IG report. Â Should be quite entertaining.
If media sways voters, Hillary should have won. Uh, here is an UPDATE for you: SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
It's like you have to hold him by the hand and lead him to each data point. He'll now ask "then how did she lose the election?"
Both of you guys are missing the very obvious point and it's one that I made earlier. 90% or more of the media (online/TV) was squarely against Trump. A huge majority of other well-known people (Hollywood/TV), with a public forum, were also against Trump, at least those that expressed an opinion. No president in my lifetime had the media so much against him. Yet Trump still won the election
If the media has the influence you all claim it does, unless elections are scored like golf , how did Trump win?
Mid America/small town America is populated by enough conservatives/independents that they weren't swayed. Think for a minute how many people would have voted FOR TRUMP without the negative press and lies told about him. You are looking at this backwards. The easily swayed are the majority (and gets bigger daily with all the illegals coming in) and will do whatever the socialists tell them. It's the independent voter that make the decisions on these elections. They still populate enough of the states that the lies haven't mattered yet. Stop the lies in the press and Trump is easily re elected. Probably will be anyway because the socialists have way over played their hand.
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When it comes to illegal immigration , most of it is a scam. Many kids that come to the US do so as teenagers on their own accord. They are afforded some type of sympathy because they are not considered adults when they willfully came here. Just like the caravans from Central America. They bum rush the border squat and wonâ€t leave and want protections and citizenship. Itâ€s not fair to those who go by the rules nor to the taxpayer.
The US should determine its own laws on who and how many people and from what country they want to let in. US Immigration should not be dominated by certain countries.
(11-13-2019, 07:41 AM)dunefan Wrote: (11-13-2019, 06:51 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-13-2019, 01:51 AM)dunefan Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:48 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-12-2019, 09:29 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: If media sways voters, Hillary should have won. Uh, here is an UPDATE for you: SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
It's like you have to hold him by the hand and lead him to each data point. He'll now ask "then how did she lose the election?"
Both of you guys are missing the very obvious point and it's one that I made earlier. 90% or more of the media (online/TV) was squarely against Trump. A huge majority of other well-known people (Hollywood/TV), with a public forum, were also against Trump, at least those that expressed an opinion. No president in my lifetime had the media so much against him. Yet Trump still won the election
If the media has the influence you all claim it does, unless elections are scored like golf , how did Trump win?
Mid America/small town America is populated by enough conservatives/independents that they weren't swayed.Â
Then who's IS being swayed?
Think for a minute how many people would have voted FOR TRUMP without the negative press and lies told about him.Â
We have no idea. Trump was an absolute d-bag and turned off a lot of voters with his dishonesty and behavior.
You are looking at this backwards. The easily swayed are the majority (and gets bigger daily with all the illegals coming in) and will do whatever the socialists tell them.Â
The majority can be swayed, but wasn't swayed despite having the full force of the media/hollywood clearly pro-Hillary/anti-Trump?
It's the independent voter that make the decisions on these elections. They still populate enough of the states that the lies haven't mattered yet. Stop the lies in the press and Trump is easily re elected. Probably will be anyway because the socialists have way over played their hand.
You are correct that the "independent" voters, or at least those that aren't perched in front of Fox/CNN all day, just waiting to check the box next to the R/D candidate, DO determine the elections. Trump won a lot of states that he had no business winning. Trump, if what many people are alleging about the media is true, had no business winning... yet he did. Why? If the MAJORITY can be swayed by the media as easily as it's being alleged, then Hillary should have won.
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Media impacts elections bigly...to suggest they don't is disingenuous. They are against every republican and they are the reason these elections are close or the libs win. Really easy to understand actually.
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(11-13-2019, 08:41 AM)zigbee Wrote: Media impacts elections bigly...to suggest they don't is disingenuous. They are against every republican and they are the reason these elections are close or the libs win. Really easy to understand actually.
Everyone seems to believe this, but what evidence do you have to support this belief when, again, the worst Republican candidate ever just won despite the media being more against him than any Republican I can remember.
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