Bid to end DACA now in front of Supreme Court

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"Wrong" is your opinion.  The majority of Americans support not sending these kids back to Mexico.  Trump, not surprising, is too ignorant to see that he's shooting himself in the foot.

No, you are wrong.  There is NO LAW to allow for this.  Not my opinion at all, it's the law these people are breaking being here illegally.  Make them apply for citizenship according to law.  Amazing how you seem to overlook laws on here daily.

Again, you can rant and rave all you want.  This is a tone-deaf move by Trump/Republicans.  Americans, at least the ones who aren't polarized by hate for the opposing political party, are sympathetic to the situation these kids are in and want to figure out a way to protect them from deportation.

Not tone death in the least.  It's abiding by law.  APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP legally.   Not that hard to do.

Rationalize all you want.  Again, most Americans want to do what's right, not be slaves to what's the letter of the law.   If Trump/Republicans get what they want, and remove DACA, the first time a would-have-been DACA kid is deported, you'll all quickly see how important your "it's the law" opinion truly is as it relates to people's opinions.

Can you READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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An Ipsos poll on behalf of NPR ^^^^^^

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The American public has clear-cut opinions on both issues at the center of the current debate on immigration policy. A large majority (74%) favors granting permanent legal status to immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally when they were children, but 60% oppose a proposal to “substantially expand the wall along the U.S. border with Mexico” – a longtime goal of President Donald Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...rder-wall/[/color]

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Again, you can rant and rave all you want.  This is a tone-deaf move by Trump/Republicans.  Americans, at least the ones who aren't polarized by hate for the opposing political party, are sympathetic to the situation these kids are in and want to figure out a way to protect them from deportation.

Not tone death in the least.  It's abiding by law.  APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP legally.   Not that hard to do.

Rationalize all you want.  Again, most Americans want to do what's right, not be slaves to what's the letter of the law.   If Trump/Republicans get what they want, and remove DACA, the first time a would-have-been DACA kid is deported, you'll all quickly see how important your "it's the law" opinion truly is as it relates to people's opinions.

Can you READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh, I'm sorry.... are you under the impression that DACA grants citizenship?

I'm under the impression you cannot read.   Remove DACA and insert apply to become a citizen.  EASY to understand.  No one said deport.

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No, you are wrong.  There is NO LAW to allow for this.  Not my opinion at all, it's the law these people are breaking being here illegally.  Make them apply for citizenship according to law.  Amazing how you seem to overlook laws on here daily.

Again, you can rant and rave all you want.  This is a tone-deaf move by Trump/Republicans.  Americans, at least the ones who aren't polarized by hate for the opposing political party, are sympathetic to the situation these kids are in and want to figure out a way to protect them from deportation.

Not tone death in the least.  It's abiding by law.  APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP legally.   Not that hard to do.

Rationalize all you want.  Again, most Americans want to do what's right, not be slaves to what's the letter of the law.   If Trump/Republicans get what they want, and remove DACA, the first time a would-have-been DACA kid is deported, you'll all quickly see how important your "it's the law" opinion truly is as it relates to people's opinions.

Can you READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

All DACA does is temporarily protect the kids from deportation.

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Not tone death in the least.  It's abiding by law.  APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP legally.   Not that hard to do.

Rationalize all you want.  Again, most Americans want to do what's right, not be slaves to what's the letter of the law.   If Trump/Republicans get what they want, and remove DACA, the first time a would-have-been DACA kid is deported, you'll all quickly see how important your "it's the law" opinion truly is as it relates to people's opinions.

Can you READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh, I'm sorry.... are you under the impression that DACA grants citizenship?

I'm under the impression you cannot read.   Remove DACA and insert apply to become a citizen.  EASY to understand.  No one said deport.

Without DACA, what's stopping the kids from being deported?

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Rationalize all you want.  Again, most Americans want to do what's right, not be slaves to what's the letter of the law.   If Trump/Republicans get what they want, and remove DACA, the first time a would-have-been DACA kid is deported, you'll all quickly see how important your "it's the law" opinion truly is as it relates to people's opinions.

Can you READ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh, I'm sorry.... are you under the impression that DACA grants citizenship?

I'm under the impression you cannot read.   Remove DACA and insert apply to become a citizen.  EASY to understand.  No one said deport.

Without DACA, what's stopping the kids from being deported?

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The Trump administration has a new plan to solve the [color=var(--color-accent,#168dd9)]immigration quandary that shut down the government last week.[/color]
According to a proposal released this evening by the White House, Trump is prepared to give a path to US citizenship to some 1.8 million undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers. All came to the United States as children, and make up a much larger group than is currently protected from deportation by the existing Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.
This is the most generous offer the president has put on the table so far, and one thatâ€s sure to please the majority of Americans who believe Dreamers have the right to live where they grew up. But Trumpâ€s asking for a lot in exchange.

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The Trump administration has a new plan to solve the [color=var(--color-accent,#168dd9)]immigration quandary that shut down the government last week.[/color]
According to a proposal released this evening by the White House, Trump is prepared to give a path to US citizenship to some 1.8 million undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers. All came to the United States as children, and make up a much larger group than is currently protected from deportation by the existing Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.
This is the most generous offer the president has put on the table so far, and one thatâ€s sure to please the majority of Americans who believe Dreamers have the right to live where they grew up. But Trumpâ€s asking for a lot in exchange.

Trumps proposal can clearly co-exist with current temporary protection provided by DACA, so what's the point of overturning DACA (other than it was the creation of Obama/Dems)

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The Trump administration has a new plan to solve the [color=var(--color-accent,#168dd9)]immigration quandary that shut down the government last week.[/color]
According to a proposal released this evening by the White House, Trump is prepared to give a path to US citizenship to some 1.8 million undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers. All came to the United States as children, and make up a much larger group than is currently protected from deportation by the existing Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.
This is the most generous offer the president has put on the table so far, and one thatâ€s sure to please the majority of Americans who believe Dreamers have the right to live where they grew up. But Trumpâ€s asking for a lot in exchange.

Trumps proposal can clearly co-exist with current temporary protection provided by DACA, so what's the point of overturning DACA (other than it was the creation of Obama/Dems)

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An Ipsos poll on behalf of NPR ^^^^^^

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The American public has clear-cut opinions on both issues at the center of the current debate on immigration policy. A large majority (74%) favors granting permanent legal status to immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally when they were children, but 60% oppose a proposal to “substantially expand the wall along the U.S. border with Mexico” – a longtime goal of President Donald Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...rder-wall/[/color]

These places over sample for a 'forced' result. It reminds me of the latest attempt by Fox to show Biden has a 10 point lead over Trump.

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwih0diDnuXlAhUJY6wKHZa9DlMQFjAJegQIARAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2017%2F12%2F16%2Fkeeping-dreamers-would-cost-taxpayers-26b-over-next-decade-cbo%2F&usg=AOvVaw3-A0N-rbWuV2sX-Gtc91GN

Maybe those Polls should say first did you know:

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The Dreamers wonâ€t come cheap.
Letting people who came to the US illegally as children remain in the country lawfully would cost taxpayers $25.9 billion over the next 10 years, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.
Many of those who benefited from the Obama administrationâ€s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program will be eliglble for Medicaid, food stamps, education funding, and other programs, the agency said in a report Friday.
The outlay would total $26.8 billion over the next decade — but the estimated 3.25 million dreamers would contribute only $0.9 billion to the tab, the CBO said.
Trump earlier this year announced plans to axe DACA, which President Barack Obama instituted as an executive order.
Trump president has urged Congress to pass legislation that would reinstate the protections.

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwih0diDnuXlAhUJY6wKHZa9DlMQFjAJegQIARAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2017%2F12%2F16%2Fkeeping-dreamers-would-cost-taxpayers-26b-over-next-decade-cbo%2F&usg=AOvVaw3-A0N-rbWuV2sX-Gtc91GN

Maybe those Polls should say first did you know:

'The outlay would total $26.8 billion over the next decade — but the estimated 3.25 million dreamers would contribute only $0.9 billion to the tab, the CBO said.'

Legalizing DACA would increase debt spending. Wasn't p!tch recently whining about Trump not fixing the out of control spending? 

Another 3v style fail.

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An Ipsos poll on behalf of NPR ^^^^^^

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The American public has clear-cut opinions on both issues at the center of the current debate on immigration policy. A large majority (74%) favors granting permanent legal status to immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally when they were children, but 60% oppose a proposal to “substantially expand the wall along the U.S. border with Mexico” – a longtime goal of President Donald Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...rder-wall/[/color]

These places over sample for a 'forced' result. It reminds me of the latest attempt by Fox to show Biden has a 10 point lead over Trump.

ok.  you find a "reputable" poll, in your opinion, that shows results that you think are correct.

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The Dreamers wonâ€t come cheap.
Letting people who came to the US illegally as children remain in the country lawfully would cost taxpayers $25.9 billion over the next 10 years, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.
Many of those who benefited from the Obama administrationâ€s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program will be eliglble for Medicaid, food stamps, education funding, and other programs, the agency said in a report Friday.
The outlay would total $26.8 billion over the next decade — but the estimated 3.25 million dreamers would contribute only $0.9 billion to the tab, the CBO said.
Trump earlier this year announced plans to axe DACA, which President Barack Obama instituted as an executive order.
Trump president has urged Congress to pass legislation that would reinstate the protections.

That's two posts that don't answer the question of why DACA has to be rescinded to implement a permanent solution.