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Pitch, you are making my head hurt.  Zigâ€s line of thinking/questioning is perfectly rational.  The topic is current religion.  You are the one that cited the OT.  And thatâ€s why Zig responded the way he did. Â
What I hate about posting on my phone is that I basically have to go from memory.  Canâ€t see yâ€alls posts when Iâ€m responding.  So I might be mixing some of it up.  Anyway, I was mentioning how twisted views of sex crept into some religions.  A lot of it is likely a misunderstanding of certain scriptures.  Some of it is simply humans being human.
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Yes and then Zig responded on how many OT teachings arenâ€t applicable now. Â
You cited the OT and he responded. Â
Lastly, I will concede that misinterpretation of scripture is part of some modern sects oppressive views on sex.  And yes, some of it came from OT scripture as well.
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13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damselâ€s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate. . .
20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her fatherâ€s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her fatherâ€s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
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I'm not real up on OT manner of speech/lingo. I'm guessing the "tokens" involve some sort blood mark. I'm not sure how they would prove virginity if the husband "lay with her" on their wedding night. Or did they have these "tokens" before hand? I'm guessing that would make sense. Ok, so to prove virginity you would have to, for lack of a better word, break the seal and show blood, right? Seems pretty weird on its face. I have to be misunderstanding this.Â
Another thing we could be overlooking here is untruthfulness. The groom is under the assumption his bride is virgin. If he's brought "damaged goods" he feels cheated and betrayed by the girl and the parents. Just a thought anyway.
Anyway, there was a time and a place for that. That time has long come and gone. Parents don't hand over their daughters anymore. etc...   Â