Libtards vandalize statue of General William Lee

[cincydawg]

My perspective on all the statues and memorials and whatever else is that it originated in feelings of inferiority that were quite pronounced when I was a kid. Part of this was "suppressing the black folks". This got distorted, in my mind, into resistance and petulance.
Yeah, we lost, but we fought a good fight and if General X had done A instead of B we wudda won anyway.".

The South was very backward relative to the rest of the nation when I was a kid, infrastructure was very limited, roads were bad, there were no ML professional sports teams, some folks garnered their "ego" by oppressing the black folks, and by some I mean many. Rather than focus on progress and advancement, folks seemed to have the idea that if blacks were worse off then the whites were somehow improved.

So, adulation for Lee and Jackson and so on became part of the culture. This translated into college football as well. "We" could at least whip those Yankee butts in football. (SEC! SEC! SEC!)

A lot of this happened under the guise of "remembering and honoring the fallen" without noting The Cause so much, and perhaps for some that was genuine. Sherman is not too popular around these parts but he did more than anyone else to end the war as soon as possible.

[Soupcity Kid]

As far as the South. I donâ€t get the confederacy worship. They lost. They sent most every able bodied boy into a senseless battle to die. And over what?

The North won.  I grew up in Ohio.  We donâ€t workshop Sherman and a Grant and build 80,000 statues of them

Who doesnâ€t like a beautifull statue of a soldier , cowboy or indian on horseback.  But if you had the choice of see a unique rock formation unadulterated or seeing some carving of southern worship , Iâ€d Tater just see the rock as itâ€s been for 4 billion years.

Many of those memorials, and they are works of art, are in honor of the dead, including dead relatives of people still alive, who fought valiantly in a war against a larger and better funded and organized foe.  Why do activists feel the need to destroy those places?  Who does it benefit?  Are blacks in Memphis, East St. Louis, Jackson or Baltimore suddenly going to stop killing each other and join civilization because we destroy Confederate monuments?  There is a black activist professor leading the way here to get monuments removed and as they do not one thing will change in the high crime drug invested black community.  What this is really about is destroying white Southern heritage.

I do not want to deny the US of our history good and bad.  I would like these monuments in a museum.  I am not a fan of the statues of people who divided this county and tried to secede from our UNION which caused the deaths of far too many people.  In short monuments of traitors o the United States.

I do agree with you the removal of the statues will not improve the life or self esteem of any alleged aggrieved person.  The argument to make this move is just something else for fake outrage.

By your statements alone I would imagine you would have no problem with a statue of Hitler in the middle of the WW2 museum because Hitler as a leader effectively conquered more land as an invading army than any other person?  I would assume you would not mind a statue of the Japanese Pilot who dropped the fatal torpedo which sunk the Arizona?

[BigDroppa]

Imagine today if some group wanted to petition using jack hammers and cutting tools to make a 200 ft carving of ( pick any three persons on the planet ) into some beautiful rock formation.

Nothing against the South, but Stone Mountain carving was a fanatical mission that spanned decades. They took a pristine face of a unique dome and made a carving. I look at the face of the mountain and say what a shame they ruined it.

Jeze Louise. How many Lee/Jackson/Davis statues does a population need ? Lee/Davis/ Jackson

Hey thereâ€s a tree. Letâ€s carve Robert E Leeâ€s name in it

[BWT30]

Moving from C-bus to Tennessee, pretty much what HT has said, they are proud of their Southern Heritage. Mind you this is the place where women still get made-up just to go to Wal-Mart. Heaven forbid if they were caught without make-up. Just the way they are down here. It's more of we are proud of being southerners than anything else.

[BigDroppa]

Cincy. America lost. Boys were killed on both sides. It was a senseless war created by a small fraction of folks.

[Soupcity Kid]

My perspective on all the statues and memorials and whatever else is that it originated in feelings of inferiority that were quite pronounced when I was a kid.  Part of this was "suppressing the black folks".  This got distorted, in my mind, into resistance and petulance.  
Yeah, we lost, but we fought a good fight and if General X had done A instead of B we wudda won anyway.".

The South was very backward relative to the rest of the nation when I was a kid, infrastructure was very limited, roads were bad, there were no ML professional sports teams, some folks garnered their "ego" by oppressing the black folks, and by some I mean many.  Rather than focus on progress and advancement, folks seemed to have the idea that if blacks were worse off then the whites were somehow improved.

So, adulation for Lee and Jackson and so on became part of the culture.  This translated into college football as well.  "We" could at least whip those Yankee butts in football.  (SEC! SEC! SEC!)

A lot of this happened under the guise of "remembering and honoring the fallen" without noting The Cause so much, and perhaps for some that was genuine.  Sherman is not too popular around these parts but he did more than anyone else to end the war as soon as possible.

Cincy, imho you articulated this so well.  I was trying to type pretty much the same thing.  As a Yankee there is still something I observe that blacks and whites from the south seem to share a bond of pride over the old south that you would think would be incompatible.

[ScarletHayes]

Moving from C-bus to Tennessee, pretty much what HT has said, they are proud of their Southern Heritage. Mind you this is the place where women still get made-up just to go to Wal-Mart. Heaven forbid if they were caught without make-up. Just the way they are down here. It's more of we are proud of being southerners than anything else.

My sister lives in Texas.  She said it was an adjustment for her.  She was shocked how the women themselves more or less viewed themselves as trophies.  Very shallow people.  My sister, being a "normal" person from Ohio, took a while to be accpeted.  It's just different down there.

[cincydawg]

There were quite a few "histories" that came out after the war obviously, and many of them contained some enormous biases. I have a set of biographies of Southern generals and to read them you'd think they never made a mistake. Many of them are apologistic, minimizing the influence of slavery on the conflict and claiming that a small move here or there would have won the war.

A more balanced history of the war is of course quite different. I saw the same thing in Guderian's book after WW II, another very self serving tome that was supported by B. Liddell Hart's main book. The real story is that the South could ill afford military miscues, just as Hitler could ill afford them. But they are inevitable in warfare, to claims some "perfect strategy" would have won is irrelevant to anything real.

I could beat Spaski in chess if I played a perfect game.

[BigDroppa]

Lived in Houston for 15 years. My family relocated there from Ohio. Texas has a Lone Star state attitude and doesnâ€t consider itself the South or Confederate South to be more specific. They have a pride and they are good people for the most part. The cowboy or rancher is a revered way of life.

Here is Herman Oark with a monument of Sam Houston. Beautiful statue and park next to the
Museum district Rice Univ and Houston Med Center. Nice. Not over done. There is not 80k statues of the guy

[ScarletHayes]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

[BigDroppa]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

Yes they do ,  especially in Dallas , generally speaking

[Hightop77]

As far as the South. I donâ€t get the confederacy worship. They lost. They sent most every able bodied boy into a senseless battle to die. And over what?

The North won.  I grew up in Ohio.  We donâ€t workshop Sherman and a Grant and build 80,000 statues of them

Who doesnâ€t like a beautifull statue of a soldier , cowboy or indian on horseback.  But if you had the choice of see a unique rock formation unadulterated or seeing some carving of southern worship , Iâ€d Tater just see the rock as itâ€s been for 4 billion years.

Many of those memorials, and they are works of art, are in honor of the dead, including dead relatives of people still alive, who fought valiantly in a war against a larger and better funded and organized foe.  Why do activists feel the need to destroy those places?  Who does it benefit?  Are blacks in Memphis, East St. Louis, Jackson or Baltimore suddenly going to stop killing each other and join civilization because we destroy Confederate monuments?  There is a black activist professor leading the way here to get monuments removed and as they do not one thing will change in the high crime drug invested black community.  What this is really about is destroying white Southern heritage.

I do not want to deny the US of our history good and bad.  I would like these monuments in a museum.  I am not a fan of the statues of people who divided this county and tried to secede from our UNION which caused the deaths of far too many people.  In short monuments of traitors o the United States.

I do agree with you the removal of the statues will not improve the life or self esteem of any alleged aggrieved person.  The argument to make this move is just something else for fake outrage.

By your statements alone I would imagine you would have no problem with a statue of Hitler in the middle of the WW2 museum because Hitler as a leader effectively conquered more land as an invading army than any other person?  I would assume you would not mind a statue of the Japanese Pilot who dropped the fatal torpedo which sunk the Arizona?

Good Gawd, I hate it when someone compares the Confederacy to Hitler.  I heard a sermon from some liberal pastor who did that and I had to take the time to rip his sorry liberal ass afterward.

[lrrps21]

Next they'll go after the statue of Bruce Lee.

[ScarletHayes]

True on Texas.  I never really considered it part of the traditional south.  Texas is, well...  Texas.  Still though, I think women taking pride in their appearance is at a greater degree than it is up here.  Generally speaking of course

Yes they do ,  especially in Dallas , generally speaking

Lol.  Nailed it.  My sister lives in the Dallas-Arlington-Ft Worth metroplex.

[lrrps21]

Moving from C-bus to Tennessee, pretty much what HT has said, they are proud of their Southern Heritage. Mind you this is the place where women still get made-up just to go to Wal-Mart. Heaven forbid if they were caught without make-up. Just the way they are down here. It's more of we are proud of being southerners than anything else.

My sister lives in Texas.  She said it was an adjustment for her.  She was shocked how the women themselves more or less viewed themselves as trophies.  Very shallow people.  My sister, being a "normal" person from Ohio, took a while to be accpeted.  It's just different down there.

That's how I see Western women after traveling abroad. I always had my suspicions but it still was an eye opening experience when I was 1st exposed to non Western women. 

I lived 1/3 of my life in the South and I find the women 'tend' to view themselves as some prize. Of course, there are exceptions, but in general they overestimate their value. It's the same in the North but in more of a feminism type way. Either way, I have nothing to do with these broads.