Ohio Ban on Down Syndome abortions halted by court of appeals in Cincinnati

[Hightop77]

So, being Christian means not caring if your kid is missing limbs, has mental disorders or a lack of some senses? 

I hope you don't travel door to door as an evangelist.

No, fool.  It means trusting in the God you believe in, that there is some reason beyond your ability to understand that you have been placed in that situation.  Faith isn't much if you only have it when life is easy, uncomplicated and prosperous.  That is what Luther would call the theology of glory.

Trusting in God to do what in this case?

This is your obvious problem.  You see God as a magic genie where people go to get their wishes fulfilled.  For the Christian, the only thing he trusts God for is his eternal salvation.  And that is the promise.

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

[sparky454]

No, fool.  It means trusting in the God you believe in, that there is some reason beyond your ability to understand that you have been placed in that situation.  Faith isn't much if you only have it when life is easy, uncomplicated and prosperous.  That is what Luther would call the theology of glory.

Trusting in God to do what in this case?

This is your obvious problem.  You see God as a magic genie where people go to get their wishes fulfilled.  For the Christian, the only thing he trusts God for is his eternal salvation.  And that is the promise.

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

Pitch seems to think that all babies that are not perfect should be aborted for their own good. If they can't live a perfect life then they should die. Does he not understand that a child is a child and is loved by his parents?

[P1tchblack]

No, fool.  It means trusting in the God you believe in, that there is some reason beyond your ability to understand that you have been placed in that situation.  Faith isn't much if you only have it when life is easy, uncomplicated and prosperous.  That is what Luther would call the theology of glory.

Trusting in God to do what in this case?

This is your obvious problem.  You see God as a magic genie where people go to get their wishes fulfilled.  For the Christian, the only thing he trusts God for is his eternal salvation.  And that is the promise.

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

You haven't explained anything.

[P1tchblack]

Trusting in God to do what in this case?

This is your obvious problem.  You see God as a magic genie where people go to get their wishes fulfilled.  For the Christian, the only thing he trusts God for is his eternal salvation.  And that is the promise.

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

Pitch seems to think that all babies that are not perfect should be aborted for their own good. If they can't live a perfect life then they should die. Does he not understand that a child is a child and is loved by his parents?

I said not a word about abortion.

[sparky454]

This is your obvious problem.  You see God as a magic genie where people go to get their wishes fulfilled.  For the Christian, the only thing he trusts God for is his eternal salvation.  And that is the promise.

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

Pitch seems to think that all babies that are not perfect should be aborted for their own good. If they can't live a perfect life then they should die. Does he not understand that a child is a child and is loved by his parents?

I said not a word about abortion.

So how do you propose preventing Down Syndrome births?

[P1tchblack]

And creating children with abnormalities plays into that.......?

Apparently the phrase "beyond your ability to understand" is beyond your ability to understand.

Pitch seems to think that all babies that are not perfect should be aborted for their own good. If they can't live a perfect life then they should die. Does he not understand that a child is a child and is loved by his parents?

I said not a word about abortion.

So how do you propose preventing Down Syndrome births?

I can't do anything about it, but I'm also not the entity that designed humans, so....

[Brutus Buckeye]

[BoyGenius]

I'm sure you're confused... for some reason you think repeating how you personally don't want children with Down Syndrome explains what's unfortunate about the lives of people with Down Syndrome. I have yet hear what is so unfortunate about the life of a person with Down Syndrome.

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

[zigbee]

I'm sure you're confused... for some reason you think repeating how you personally don't want children with Down Syndrome explains what's unfortunate about the lives of people with Down Syndrome. I have yet hear what is so unfortunate about the life of a person with Down Syndrome.

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

P1tchblack is one of those people who once they find the hole is deep -----which they created---- they just keep digging.

[P1tchblack]

I'm sure you're confused... for some reason you think repeating how you personally don't want children with Down Syndrome explains what's unfortunate about the lives of people with Down Syndrome. I have yet hear what is so unfortunate about the life of a person with Down Syndrome.

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Ok. I'll leave my comment as a "person", not a parent.  I'm not sure what that changes.

[sparky454]

I'm sure you're confused... for some reason you think repeating how you personally don't want children with Down Syndrome explains what's unfortunate about the lives of people with Down Syndrome. I have yet hear what is so unfortunate about the life of a person with Down Syndrome.

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Ok. I'll leave my comment as a "person", not a parent.  I'm not sure what that changes.

[BoyGenius]

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Ok. I'll leave my comment as a "person", not a parent.  I'm not sure what that changes.

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

[P1tchblack]

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Ok. I'll leave my comment as a "person", not a parent.  I'm not sure what that changes.

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IQ is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

[BoyGenius]

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IS is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

You're concerned about quality of life issues... fair enough.
Most die prior to 60 and never live independently because they're IQ < 70. Okay.
Most people who live past 60, live independently and have an IQ > 70 have a better quality of life? Hmmmm?

People with DS have a different life. A different life does not equate to a worse life, a miserable life, or a lesser life.
I have never met ONE person with DS who does not have a great life, who is not happy and filled with joy.
I could go on, but there is plenty more information online.

Other people's weaknesses are an opportunity to make us better, refine us to be less selfish, more caring, more loving, etc. I've dealt with people like you my daughter's whole life... those who think like you, use the same words you use. My wife's side of the family said she should abort it. Like you, they cited the same "quality of life issues." In my experience, those people, every single one, are miserable, depressed, angry... and definitely unhappy, very unhappy people.

[Hightop77]

It's unfortunate because you know what they'll never have.  No sane person hopes for their kids to have downs syndrome.

No one was discussing the parents. Your original comment did not mention parents. 
To be clear, you think/believe not having DS is better than having DS because they'll never have 'X'.
What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Ok. I'll leave my comment as a "person", not a parent.  I'm not sure what that changes.

What will people with Down Syndrome "never have"?

Most die by the time they're 60.  Very few can ever live independently, probably because their max IQ is about 70.  They aren't able to have normal adult relationships.....there's plenty more readily available online.  But, again, if you're God, why do you intentionally make humans with abnormalities that are going to prevent them from living normal lives?  Isn't man supposed to be created in his image?

What does that mean to you?