The Trump Phone call to Ukrainian President looks to be a dud

[zigbee]

So what.  What is the issue?  You do realize that when the telephone pole stapler was president there was  an issue between Russia and Ukraine.  The bottom line is Ma, Obama, et al were knee deep in crap over there.  The Bidens basically busted red handed.  

The Trump election was the best thing to happen to this nation since Reagan. (I say this with the benefit of hindsight of course)

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Trump story is a dud.

What is the significance of it other than the 50 IQ morons who are mouth drooling and who still won't accept that Trump is the President and is in charge of our foreign policy?

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

[ScarletHayes]

Who's president here anyway?  What ability to negotiate with a foreign power does he have?  Does he need Pelosi or CNN's permission to make some sort of foreign policy agreement?  

We are seeing an attack on the office of the presidency whenever a GOP president is in office.  Enough is enough already.  The media need to get a grip and get over it (and by it, I mean everything)

[Hightop77]

So what.  What is the issue?  You do realize that when the telephone pole stapler was president there was  an issue between Russia and Ukraine.  The bottom line is Ma, Obama, et al were knee deep in crap over there.  The Bidens basically busted red handed.  

The Trump election was the best thing to happen to this nation since Reagan. (I say this with the benefit of hindsight of course)

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Trump story is a dud.

What is the significance of it other than the 50 IQ morons who are mouth drooling and who still won't accept that Trump is the President and is in charge of our foreign policy?

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Your problem is you base your views on the Democrat media establishment.  The issue here is not Trump, but Biden and his son and their corruption with Biden using his influence as VP to prevent the Ukraine from investigating corruption involving his son.

[P1tchblack]

So what.  What is the issue?  You do realize that when the telephone pole stapler was president there was  an issue between Russia and Ukraine.  The bottom line is Ma, Obama, et al were knee deep in crap over there.  The Bidens basically busted red handed.  

The Trump election was the best thing to happen to this nation since Reagan. (I say this with the benefit of hindsight of course)

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Trump story is a dud.

What is the significance of it other than the 50 IQ morons who are mouth drooling and who still won't accept that Trump is the President and is in charge of our foreign policy?

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

He did... After he lied and said he didn't.

[ScarletHayes]

Your problem is you base your views on the Democrat media establishment.  The issue here is not Trump, but Biden and his son and their corruption with Biden using his influence as VP to prevent the Ukraine from investigating corruption involving his son.

It's the white elephant in the room with neon signs flashing all over the place and the media's concern?  What Trump planned to do about it.  This is just like the media freaking out over Wiki Leaks spilling the beans on the DNC fixing the outcome for Ma.  And the media is all about protecting whistle blowers?    

[sparky454]

Who's president here anyway?  What ability to negotiate with a foreign power does he have?  Does he need Pelosi or CNN's permission to make some sort of foreign policy agreement?  

We are seeing an attack on the office of the presidency whenever a GOP president is in office.  Enough is enough already.  The media need to get a grip and get over it (and by it, I mean everything)

It's not in their political genes. They won't accept anything that doesn't fit their agenda.

[zigbee]

There is absolutely no reason to believe the Trump story is a dud.

What is the significance of it other than the 50 IQ morons who are mouth drooling and who still won't accept that Trump is the President and is in charge of our foreign policy?

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

He did... After he lied.

Hmmmmmmm, interesting.
Question: do you think Biden's son should have gotten fat and rich in a poverty stricken Country like Ukraine by being on some energy conglomerate board and knowing nothing about energy in a nation that has rampant corruption?  Is that worse than phone calls or lying about wanting Biden's boy investigated for cronyism?  Hmmmmmm

[Hightop77]

Your problem is you base your views on the Democrat media establishment.  The issue here is not Trump, but Biden and his son and their corruption with Biden using his influence as VP to prevent the Ukraine from investigating corruption involving his son.

It's the white elephant in the room with neon signs flashing all over the place and the media's concern?  What Trump planned to do about it.  This is just like the media freaking out over Wiki Leaks spilling the beans on the DNC fixing the outcome for Ma.  And the media is all about protecting whistle blowers?    

If it was Obama and not Trump, Pitch would have the exact opposite view and have his mouth firmly planted on Obama's ass.

[P1tchblack]

What is the significance of it other than the 50 IQ morons who are mouth drooling and who still won't accept that Trump is the President and is in charge of our foreign policy?

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

He did... After he lied.

Hmmmmmmm, interesting.
Question: do you think Biden's son should have gotten fat and rich in a poverty stricken Country like Ukraine by being on some energy conglomerate board and knowing nothing about energy in a nation that has rampant corruption?  Is that worse than phone calls or lying about wanting Biden's boy investigated for cronyism?  Hmmmmmm

None of that has anything to do with Giuliani and Trump lying.

[zigbee]

The significance is that Giuliani lied about asking for an investigation and there's a pretty good chance that Trump is lying about his conversation with the Ukrainian President.

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

He did... After he lied.

Hmmmmmmm, interesting.
Question: do you think Biden's son should have gotten fat and rich in a poverty stricken Country like Ukraine by being on some energy conglomerate board and knowing nothing about energy in a nation that has rampant corruption?  Is that worse than phone calls or lying about wanting Biden's boy investigated for cronyism?  Hmmmmmm

None of that bas anything to do with Giuliani and Trump lying.

You can't show where either lied...that's speculation on your part, and what I asked you remained unanswered.   Can you give us response to question besides deflection?

[ScarletHayes]

Pitch, for the sake of argument let's agree that they lied to the press.  Ok, now what is your position on leakers crippling a president's ability to conduct his business?  This is getting beyond dangerous.  Used to be that the parties would agree to hold off on the naked partisanship on stuff like this (foreign policy).  Now you have some clown working for the president actually undermining him.  The FBI needs to step in and clean this ***** up.  You may disagree with your boss, fine, but you don't undermine him.  If you feel that strongly against him then RESIGN and oppose him from outside the government.

[P1tchblack]

Pretty sure Giuliani came out and said he asked them to investigate unless I missed something here.

He did... After he lied.

Hmmmmmmm, interesting.
Question: do you think Biden's son should have gotten fat and rich in a poverty stricken Country like Ukraine by being on some energy conglomerate board and knowing nothing about energy in a nation that has rampant corruption?  Is that worse than phone calls or lying about wanting Biden's boy investigated for cronyism?  Hmmmmmm

None of that bas anything to do with Giuliani and Trump lying.

You can't show where either lied...that's speculation on your part, and what I asked you remained unanswered.   Can you give us response to question besides deflection?

"Can you give us response to question besides deflection?"

You're the one taking the discussion off course, not me.  My opinion of who Ukrainian companies choose to hire is as irrelevant as a Ukrainian company hiring an apparently unqualified person for their board. 

When Cuomo asked whether Giuliani had asked Ukrainian officials to investigate Biden, Giuliani originally denied it.

"No, actually I didnâ€t," Giuliani said. "I asked Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of 2016 by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton."
When pressed again, Giuliani changed course, according to the CNN video.

"The only thing I asked about Joe Biden" was about how the prosecutor was dismissed.
"So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden," Cuomo said.

"Of course I did," Giuliani replied.

"You just said you didn't!" Cuomo fired back.

[zigbee]

LOL...come  on.  What you post and what is said in that clip is not the same.

[Syncro]

Here is a VERY interesting piece by John Solomon from Friday, well worth reading.

There is MUCH more to this story than the MSM clowns are pushing. Sure as hell looks like the State Dept set this all up...

"But there is a missing part of the story that the American public needs in order to assess what really happened: Giulianiâ€s contact with Zelensky adviser and attorney Andrei Yermak this summer was encouraged and facilitated by the U.S. State Department.

Giuliani didnâ€t initiate it. A senior U.S. diplomat contacted him in July and asked for permission to connect Yermak with him."

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...re-to-rudy

[P1tchblack]

LOL...come  on.  What you post and what is said in that clip is not the same.

Giuliani lied.  He made up some bullshit about the 2016 election, when any sane person knows they're trying to dig up dirt on Biden.