(09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
May 11, 2019
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.
Where is the quote? It's not there, especially the part where MSM and you claim he said, "... investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump."
Ha ha ha......wow....just wow . I can't help you on this one. The denial is strong!
(09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch. So? What's the point? Trump is attacked over and over with a failed coup, a phony investigation, corruption for FISA surveillance, a media hell bent on taking him down, and he hits the big old dummy Biden with a round house for his corruption which could knock him out? So what?
Well, there's reason to believe that Trump withheld money to force Ukraine to do an investigation which, based on the time line, was clearly for Trump's personal benefit. What's the difference between Biden and Trump?
(09-23-2019, 08:05 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
[*]May 11, 2019
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch. [*]
Where is the quote? It's not there, especially the part where MSM and you claim he said, "... investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump." [*]
Ha ha ha......wow....just wow . I can't help you on this one. The denial is strong! [*]
Shocking you can't produce when called out...
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(09-23-2019, 08:08 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:05 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
May 11, 2019
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch.
Where is the quote? It's not there, especially the part where MSM and you claim he said, "... investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump."
Ha ha ha......wow....just wow . I can't help you on this one. The denial is strong!
Shocking you can't produce when called out...
Hands Up! Don't shoot
Lol....the denial is strong!
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(09-23-2019, 08:07 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch. So? What's the point? Trump is attacked over and over with a failed coup, a phony investigation, corruption for FISA surveillance, a media hell bent on taking him down, and he hits the big old dummy Biden with a round house for his corruption which could knock him out? So what?
Well, there's reason to believe that Trump withheld money to force Ukraine to do an investigation which, based on the time line, was clearly for Trump's personal benefit. What's the difference between Biden and Trump? The money was NOT withheld, there was nothing done about Biden's boy either BUT you can read what Biden bragged about with his pressure on firing a prosecutor investigating his boy and withholding money to Ukraine.  Again, Biden said he did it and you didn't object. Trump whahooyed Biden and you are crying.
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(09-23-2019, 08:11 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:07 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:01 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-23-2019, 07:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/11/us/po...raine.html
WASHINGTON — Facing withering attacks accusing him of seeking foreign assistance for President Trumpâ€s re-election campaign, Rudolph W. Giuliani announced on Friday night that he had canceled a trip to Kiev in which he planned to push the incoming Ukrainian government to press ahead with investigations that he hoped would benefit Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani, President Trumpâ€s personal lawyer, explained that he felt as if he was being “set up†by Ukrainians critical of his efforts, and he blamed Democrats for trying to “spin†the trip.
“They say I was meddling in the election — ridiculous — but thatâ€s their spin,†he said.
Mr. Giuliani said on Thursday that he had hoped to meet in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, with the nationâ€s president-elect and urge him to pursue inquiries that could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump. One is the origin of the special counselâ€s investigation into Russiaâ€s interference in the 2016 election. The other is the involvement of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.â€s son in a gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch. So? What's the point? Trump is attacked over and over with a failed coup, a phony investigation, corruption for FISA surveillance, a media hell bent on taking him down, and he hits the big old dummy Biden with a round house for his corruption which could knock him out? So what?
Well, there's reason to believe that Trump withheld money to force Ukraine to do an investigation which, based on the time line, was clearly for Trump's personal benefit. What's the difference between Biden and Trump? The money was NOT withheld, there was nothing done about Biden's boy either BUT you can read what Biden bragged about with his pressure on firing a prosecutor investigating his boy and withholding money to Ukraine.  Again, Biden said he did it and you didn't object. Trump whahooyed Biden and you are crying.
We'll find out if Trump releases the transcipts. There have already been accusations that he did withhold money and Trump already started rationalizing it:
"We want to make sure that country is honest. It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?" Trump told reporters Monday morning in New York, when asked what he had spoken about with Ukraine's new president in a July phone call.
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"I did not make a statement that 'you have to do this or I'm not going to give you aid. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that," he also said. "With that being said, what I want is — I want, you know, we're giving a lot of money away to Ukraine and other places. You want to see a country that's going to be not corrupt."
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Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
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Pitch might be the worst poster I have ever seen in terms of prioritizing events as to their relative importance. I think he is either perpetually stoned or morally confused and dysfunctional.
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(09-23-2019, 08:21 PM)zigbee Wrote: Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
Ukraine eventually got the money, yes. That doesn't mean Trump didn't initially withhold it.
(09-23-2019, 08:21 PM)zigbee Wrote: Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
I have said multiple times that Biden should be punished if he used his position for personal gain. So should Trump, right?
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(09-23-2019, 08:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:21 PM)zigbee Wrote: Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
Ukraine eventually got the money, yes. That doesn't mean Trump didn't initially withhold it. You sure ASSUME a good bit. They got the money, nothing was done about Biden's boy, Biden bragged about THREATENING to withhold money to fire a prosecutor going after his corrupt son who got money laundered by a shady deal in Ukraine AND China, and all you've got is the crying about TRUMP MAYBE (maybe) doing something you don't like? Wah... who is this whistleblower and tell us how you think it's legitimate.
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(09-23-2019, 08:39 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:21 PM)zigbee Wrote: Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
I have said multiple times that Biden should be punished if he used his position for personal gain. So should Trump, right? For what? Political gain? Are you serious? Biden's boy got MILLIONS.  What did Trump gain from this story you can't even prove is accurate. Biden is not even the nominee anymore than you are.
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(09-23-2019, 08:40 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:36 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-23-2019, 08:21 PM)zigbee Wrote: Ukraine got the money that is a fact. So, you are fine with what Biden did?
OBTW, Trump doesn't have to release anything and shouldn't. The whistleblower has NOTHING concrete on any of this and didn't have first hand knowledge.  It's more of the same identical to the Kavanaugh charade and the Russian collusion faux tale with the Trump scenario the dems created.
Ukraine eventually got the money, yes. That doesn't mean Trump didn't initially withhold it. You sure ASSUME a good bit. They got the money, nothing was done about Biden's boy, Biden bragged about THREATENING to withhold money to fire a prosecutor going after his corrupt son who got money laundered by a shady deal in Ukraine AND China, and all you've got is the crying about TRUMP MAYBE (maybe) doing something you don't like? Wah... who is this whistleblower and tell us how you think it's legitimate.
I assume based on Trump's quotes where he's rationalizing withholding money.
When you're in government, using your position for personal gain is illegal.
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