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Reason 22: Why I left the Republican Party
#16
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:44 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:17 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 07:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, where does it stop? Should the government ban all so-called dangerous products? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Fast food? Candy?

Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.
I have yet to hear of even one Libertarian plan to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.  It's always little meaningless issues like vaping they latch onto to drum up emotional support.  I have heard quite a bit though of how they would legalize drugs and remove all border security.  Yeah, that sounds like something that would cut government down.

ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.
When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#17
Quote:ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.


Most don't need to. Aleppo.
The America, and the American Military, that you once knew is gone.
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#18
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:17 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 07:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 07:52 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: They cause lung infections... the oil heats up, the individual inhales the substance, and the oil cools and hardens inside the lungs. There have been no disclaimers or warnings to indicate that's a possibility. It's a dangerous product.

So, where does it stop? Should the government ban all so-called dangerous products? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Fast food? Candy?

Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.

Your question was "Where does it stop?" And if that's what you took away from my 2 posts, 3rd graders have better reading comprehension. I have nothing else for you. Carry on...

Both of your posts were supporting the ban and using children's safety as the basis.  Maybe you should read your own posts.
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#19
(09-13-2019, 09:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:44 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:17 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.
I have yet to hear of even one Libertarian plan to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.  It's always little meaningless issues like vaping they latch onto to drum up emotional support.  I have heard quite a bit though of how they would legalize drugs and remove all border security.  Yeah, that sounds like something that would cut government down.

ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.
When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.

Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
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#20
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:44 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.
I have yet to hear of even one Libertarian plan to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.  It's always little meaningless issues like vaping they latch onto to drum up emotional support.  I have heard quite a bit though of how they would legalize drugs and remove all border security.  Yeah, that sounds like something that would cut government down.

ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.
When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.

Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#21
(09-13-2019, 09:26 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:17 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 07:56 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: So, where does it stop? Should the government ban all so-called dangerous products? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Fast food? Candy?

Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.

Your question was "Where does it stop?" And if that's what you took away from my 2 posts, 3rd graders have better reading comprehension. I have nothing else for you. Carry on...

Both of your posts were supporting the ban and using children's safety as the basis.  Maybe you should read your own posts.

You wrote, "... you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?" That was your response to my comments highlighting govt intervention can be beneficial, especially when protecting children from predators. Again, 3rd graders have better comprehension skills.
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#22
(09-13-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:44 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: I have yet to hear of even one Libertarian plan to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.  It's always little meaningless issues like vaping they latch onto to drum up emotional support.  I have heard quite a bit though of how they would legalize drugs and remove all border security.  Yeah, that sounds like something that would cut government down.

ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.
When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.

Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.

Thanks proving my point.
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#23
(09-13-2019, 09:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: ha ha ha... clearly you've never actually talked to, listened to or read about a Libertarian candidate.
When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.

Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.

Thanks proving my point.
No, you said I hear what I want to hear.  What I am hearing is what they actually say.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#24
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.

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#25
(09-13-2019, 09:31 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:26 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 08:17 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

So, you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?  As you noted above, we have other means of protecting children from dangerous things.

Your question was "Where does it stop?" And if that's what you took away from my 2 posts, 3rd graders have better reading comprehension. I have nothing else for you. Carry on...

Both of your posts were supporting the ban and using children's safety as the basis.  Maybe you should read your own posts.

You wrote, "... you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?" That was your response to my comments highlighting govt intervention can be beneficial, especially when protecting children from predators. Again, 3rd graders have better comprehension skills.

First, stop with the strawman BS this early in the morning.  I never said that government intervention can't be beneficial.  The article was about BANNING (nice work, captain "3rd grade reading level").  I wrote that because all of the examples YOU provided were things that were not banned.  So, right after you defended your boy Benito Cheeto, you then (inadvertently) made a case against him.
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#26
(09-13-2019, 09:40 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: First, stop with the strawman BS this early in the morning.  I never said that government intervention can't be beneficial.  The article was about BANNING (nice work, captain "3rd grade reading level").  I wrote that because all of the examples YOU provided were things that were not banned.  So, right after you defended your boy Benito Cheeto, you then (inadvertently) made a case against him.

Not what happened... not even close.
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#27
(09-13-2019, 09:36 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:23 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: When they run for office, all they talk about is legalizing drugs, having open borders, and one nitwit, William Weld, even pushed for more gun control.  The reason for that is their money comes from the weed lobby and people like the Koch's who want cheap labor.  Thanks but no thanks.

Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.

Thanks proving my point.
No, you said I hear what I want to hear.  What I am hearing is what they actually say.

If I had the time to play your selective hearing game, but you're too ignorant to even engage with on this topic.  


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#28
(09-13-2019, 09:43 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:36 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:27 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Wrong.  Like many other things, you hear what you want to hear.
I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.

Thanks proving my point.
No, you said I hear what I want to hear.  What I am hearing is what they actually say.

If I had the time to play your selective hearing game, but you're too ignorant to even engage with on this topic.  



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"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#29
(09-13-2019, 09:43 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:40 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:31 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:26 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:15 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: Your question was "Where does it stop?" And if that's what you took away from my 2 posts, 3rd graders have better reading comprehension. I have nothing else for you. Carry on...

Both of your posts were supporting the ban and using children's safety as the basis.  Maybe you should read your own posts.

You wrote, "... you agree that there's no reason for Trump to ban vaping, right?" That was your response to my comments highlighting govt intervention can be beneficial, especially when protecting children from predators. Again, 3rd graders have better comprehension skills.

First, stop with the strawman BS this early in the morning.  I never said that government intervention can't be beneficial.  The article was about BANNING (nice work, captain "3rd grade reading level").  I wrote that because all of the examples YOU provided were things that were not banned.  So, right after you defended your boy Benito Cheeto, you then (inadvertently) made a case against him.

Not what happened... not even close.


Great.... then let's go to the replay to verify that my interpretation was "not even close":

Me: I guess Trump couldn't allow  New York Democrats to show him up with their retarded  large soda ban...

You (not ~cough~ presenting a case to support Trumps decision): They cause lung infections... the oil heats up, the individual inhales the substance, and the oil cools and hardens inside the lungs. There have been no disclaimers or warnings to indicate that's a possibility. It's a dangerous product.

Me: So, where does it stop? Should the government ban all so-called dangerous products? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Fast food? Candy?

You (not ~cough~ presenting a case for why he SHOULDN'T ban e-cigs): Well, Bag-O-Broken Glass and Medical Waste Kits don't litter store shelves. Alcohol and cigarettes can't be sold to children. A child cannot buy certain OTC medical products. A child can't drive. A child must attend school. A child can't legally be employed. A child can't legally consent. I can keep going...

Let's see:

bag of glass: not sold, but also not banned
Medical waste: not banned
Alcohol: not banned
Cigarettes: not banned
OTC medicines: not banned
Driving: not banned
Employment: not banned

but, yes, I wish you would have kept going.
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#30
Hightop77
(09-13-2019, 09:43 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:36 AM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(09-13-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: I hear what they say toward the people they target.  Drugs, drugs, and more drugs.  All you have to do is look at the candidates they produce to see what morons they are.

Thanks proving my point.
No, you said I hear what I want to hear.  What I am hearing is what they actually say.

If I had the time to play your selective hearing game, but you're too ignorant to even engage with on this topic.  


DENVER (AP) — Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson has a big idea: smaller government.
Johnsonâ€s campaign is founded on the principle that smaller government will mean greater freedom for citizens, both economically and in their personal lives. Itâ€s the policy glue that holds together his fiscally conservative, socially liberal and noninterventionist message.

A look at some of his main proposals.

BALANCE THE BUDGET
Johnson predicts that the United States could face hyperinflation if it doesnâ€t balance its budget soon. He proposes to shrink the federal government by about 20 percent, which would be a historic reduction. But itâ€s something Congress has not been able to pass under Democratic or Republican control.

He calls for reductions of up to 20 percent in military spending, raising the Social Security retirement age to 72 and eliminating the federal departments of Commerce, Education, Housing and Urban Development and Homeland Security. (Some tasks by those departments would be redistributed to other agencies.)
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