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Why is it a "lie" that an abundance of non-violent drug offenders has contributed to an overcrowded prison system? If you want to argue that someone should serve 10 years for possessing an ounce of weed, fine, we disagree, but your position is clear. To say that draconian sentences for non-violent drug offenses don't contribute to an overabundance of prison inmates is ridiculous.
I wouldn't argue that they didn't break the law, I'd argue that the law was stupid and overly punitive, and should be rescinded/reformed.
The theory is... drug users' criminal behavior escalates to where they commit more serious crimes.
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(09-13-2019, 11:48 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: The theory is... drug users' criminal behavior escalates to where they commit more serious crimes. Yes, that is the theory. Do you, personally, think imprisoning non-violent weed dealers is an efficient use of prison space, and judicial resources?
(09-13-2019, 08:39 AM)lrrps21 Wrote:
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(09-13-2019, 11:53 AM)stxbuck Wrote: (09-13-2019, 11:48 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: The theory is... drug users' criminal behavior escalates to where they commit more serious crimes. Yes, that is the theory. Do you, personally, think imprisoning non-violent weed dealers is an efficient use of prison space, and judicial resources?
essentially the same thing as putting people in prison for using alcohol. Not drinking and driving or breaking any laws; just drinking alcohol.
(09-13-2019, 11:53 AM)stxbuck Wrote: (09-13-2019, 11:48 AM)BoyGenius Wrote: The theory is... drug users' criminal behavior escalates to where they commit more serious crimes. Yes, that is the theory. Do you, personally, think imprisoning non-violent weed dealers is an efficient use of prison space, and judicial resources?
No... it's ridiculous on many levels, so ridiculous that I think long after we're dead, people will shake their head reading about our prison system.
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(09-13-2019, 11:41 AM)stxbuck Wrote: Why is it a "lie" that an abundance of non-violent drug offenders has contributed to an overcrowded prison system? Because no one is in prison for possessing user amounts of weed and most other drugs. They only way that would land you in prison is as a parole violation after being convicted of a real crime.  We decriminalized drug usage a long time ago and it's dishonest for Rand Paul to claim our prisons are full of young pot heads. If he actually believes that then he is clearly uninformed.
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(09-13-2019, 12:07 PM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-13-2019, 11:41 AM)stxbuck Wrote: Why is it a "lie" that an abundance of non-violent drug offenders has contributed to an overcrowded prison system? Because no one is in prison for possessing user amounts of weed and most other drugs. They only way that would land you in prison is as a parole violation after being convicted of a real crime.  We decriminalized drug usage a long time ago and it's dishonest for Rand Paul to claim our prisons are full of young pot heads. If he actually believes that then he is clearly uninformed.
User amount?  "Sir, I'm sorry, you can't possess more than a fifth of jack daniels 'cause we're afraid you might share it with your friends."
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You fail to recognize that bourbon is legal to possess, consume, and transport.
LEAs stop the illegal selling of weed. No need to have a garbage bag of weed or 5lbs in 1lb-vacuum-packed blocks.
LEAs also stop the illegal selling of alcohol and cigarettes.
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Druggies are useless criminals. We definitely should be incarcerating them for long periods of time. Each one of them is a mini crime wave. You get them off the streets and away from decent people. If we start leaving them on the streets they are going to be committing a huge amount of crimes and will spread disease. Prison isn't for punishment. It's to segregate scum from decent people. And just being safer from violence alone isn't enough.
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(09-13-2019, 12:21 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Druggies are useless criminals. We definitely should be incarcerating them for long periods of time. Each one of them is a mini crime wave. You get them off the streets and away from decent people. If we start leaving them on the streets they are going to be committing a huge amount of crimes and will spread disease. Prison isn't for punishment. It's to segregate scum from decent people. And just being safer from violence alone isn't enough. Most druggies/addicts that are in prison are in there for stuff like burglary, or probation violations. Drug legalization/drug law reforms wouldn't change that-they could and should still have the book thrown at them.
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(09-13-2019, 02:45 PM)stxbuck Wrote: (09-13-2019, 12:21 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Druggies are useless criminals. We definitely should be incarcerating them for long periods of time. Each one of them is a mini crime wave. You get them off the streets and away from decent people. If we start leaving them on the streets they are going to be committing a huge amount of crimes and will spread disease. Prison isn't for punishment. It's to segregate scum from decent people. And just being safer from violence alone isn't enough. Most druggies/addicts that are in prison are in there for stuff like burglary, or probation violations. Drug legalization/drug law reforms wouldn't change that-they could and should still have the book thrown at them. It's easier to catch them holding than burglarizing. Eff druggies. I'm tired of this nonviolent crap. They're criminal scum and decent people need rid of them.
(09-13-2019, 12:20 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: You fail to recognize that bourbon is legal to possess, consume, and transport.
LEAs stop the illegal selling of weed. No need to have a garbage bag of weed or 5lbs in 1lb-vacuum-packed blocks.
LEAs also stop the illegal selling of alcohol and cigarettes.
Right. Bourbon is legal so there's no meaningful black market for it or any other alcohol. There's no wasted jail space for people possessing it... because it's legal. There's no true issue with possessing 5lb of weed any more than there is possessing 5 bottles of Jack, but because of the government, suddenly we put people in cages for possessing a plant.
If tomorrow the government suddenly outlawed alcohol, it wouldn't make alcohol any more dangerous nor make it any more "wrong" for people to possess it. It would create the lie that there's an issue and suddenly we'd be putting people in prison for possessing moonshine.
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I wonder how much alcohol related homicides declined between 1932 and 1934.......
(09-13-2019, 03:42 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-13-2019, 12:20 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: You fail to recognize that bourbon is legal to possess, consume, and transport.
LEAs stop the illegal selling of weed. No need to have a garbage bag of weed or 5lbs in 1lb-vacuum-packed blocks.
LEAs also stop the illegal selling of alcohol and cigarettes.
Right. Bourbon is legal so there's no meaningful black market for it or any other alcohol. There's no wasted jail space for people possessing it... because it's legal. There's no true issue with possessing 5lb of weed any more than there is possessing 5 bottles of Jack, but because of the government, suddenly we put people in cages for possessing a plant.
See the BOLD sentence. You have to be guessing because now you're spouting nonsense. You are woefully misinformed. There is a significant black market for alcohol as there is a significant black market for cigarettes. Then, you you rise to new heights of ignorance equating 5 bottles of alcohol to 5lbs of weed. They are not the same. Not even close.
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