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(09-11-2019, 08:37 AM)stxbuck Wrote: (09-10-2019, 06:47 PM)zigbee Wrote: (09-10-2019, 06:43 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote: I'm fine with the concept of the death penalty. But gummint and gummint lawyers are too corrupt and incompetent to be entrusted with the death penalty. They'll execute innocent people. It isn't reasonable to entrust incompetent dishonest morons with people's lives in that way. At least a prison sentence can be vacated at some point if we find the fools screwed up or deliberately railroaded someone. Sometimes you get the bull and sometimes the bull gets you is all I can say over the chance someone is innocent. What's the chance you are ever tried for murder? Or me or your friends. Can you think of one person you know that could be innocent and was executed. I can't think of any. The chances are very, very VERY small. And while we worry over that slight chance a big fat POS is kept alive after he brutally tortured small children... 99.8% of the the population will never “need†the 1st, 2nd, 4th,etc. amendments in the sense of having a court case where the violation thereof is an actual issue. Does this mean these protections are just a joke/excuse for weirdos and criminals? We have a Bill of Rights so both government crooks and butthurt mob mentality populists donâ€t run amock. You should be smarter than your post above. And again you blab your giant mouth on here like you are some authority. Shut up. I never said anything about what you post. You constantly add attachments to people saying they are this or that. I can post what I think without your BUTT HURT replies labeling me.
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(09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime?
So if there were no laws against assault/rape/murder/theft nothing would change?
Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
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(09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)zigbee Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime? A killer who is executed kills no more. This. You do the crime, you pay the price. 20-25 year postponements between crime and punishment is BS. I do require indisputable proof of murder though before I would hand out a death sentence. But once it is determined then the sentence is carried out forthwith.
(09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)zigbee Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime? A killer who is executed kills no more.
A killer in prison kills no more.
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(09-11-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime?
So if there were no laws against assault/rape/murder/theft nothing would change?
Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
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(09-11-2019, 08:55 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)zigbee Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime? A killer who is executed kills no more.
A killer in prison kills no more. Absolutely WRONG.  They kill all the time guards and other prisoners. You really are naive.
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(09-11-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime?
So if there were no laws against assault/rape/murder/theft nothing would change?
Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
You think that because you watch fox news and read websites like stormfront
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(09-11-2019, 08:57 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime?
So if there were no laws against assault/rape/murder/theft nothing would change?
Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
You think that because you watch fox news and read websites like stormfront
So in this thread we quickly exceeded your brain's capacity to respond rationally and so this is where you go. And you whine about your threads being closed?
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(09-11-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:57 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:35 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: So if there were no laws against assault/rape/murder/theft nothing would change?
Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
You think that because you watch fox news and read websites like stormfront
So in this thread we quickly exceeded your brain's capacity to respond rationally and so this is where you go. And you whine about your threads being closed?
In this thread you, once again, make unsupported assertions as though they're fact, kind of like your ridiculous assertion that there's a "bad family values" gene in black people.
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(09-10-2019, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: With advanced technology and DNA testing and so forth AND the stringent way laws are written to try people for death sentence I think the chances are about nil TODAY for some innocent person being put to death. I'm willing to sacrifice a few to get the rest.
I'm not.
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(09-11-2019, 09:14 AM)Beastdog Wrote: (09-10-2019, 08:43 PM)zigbee Wrote: With advanced technology and DNA testing and so forth AND the stringent way laws are written to try people for death sentence I think the chances are about nil TODAY for some innocent person being put to death. I'm willing to sacrifice a few to get the rest.
I'm not. Not a problem.  We don't have to all agree on here.
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(09-11-2019, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:57 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:49 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Maybe a little. In general, good, smart people aren't going to break laws and the majority of everyone else isn't going to care about laws.
LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
You think that because you watch fox news and read websites like stormfront
So in this thread we quickly exceeded your brain's capacity to respond rationally and so this is where you go. And you whine about your threads being closed?
In this thread you, once again, make unsupported assertions as though they're fact, kind of like your ridiculous assertion that there's a "bad family values" gene in black people.
Anyone who believes we can do away with our criminal laws and have a reasonably civilized country qualifies as a moron. Also, your penchant for intentionally misrepresenting what other posters say in order to create yet another straw man is getting old. You are lucky I am not an administrator, because in my opinion, you should get a little vacation from the site every time you do that.
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(09-11-2019, 09:30 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 09:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 09:02 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:57 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:56 AM)Hightop77 Wrote: LOL! "Good smart people" are in limited supply nowadays.  You are delusional and brainwashed with nonsense you read on fake libertarian websites.  Things are insane enough in our large cities with crime and violence. Imagine if there was no law against it.
You think that because you watch fox news and read websites like stormfront
So in this thread we quickly exceeded your brain's capacity to respond rationally and so this is where you go. And you whine about your threads being closed?
In this thread you, once again, make unsupported assertions as though they're fact, kind of like your ridiculous assertion that there's a "bad family values" gene in black people.
Anyone who believes we can do away with our criminal laws and have a reasonably civilized country qualifies as a moron. Also, your penchant for intentionally misrepresenting what other posters say in order to create yet another straw man is getting old. You are lucky I am not an administrator, because in my opinion, you should get a little vacation from the site every time you do that.
and you're lucky the thread was locked, because I wasn't planning to let your stupid assertion go.
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(09-11-2019, 08:33 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (09-11-2019, 08:26 AM)zigbee Wrote: A high percentage care about justice being served for someone murdered.  Justice means you kill you be killed as a result SO WE DON't have more being killed.
You're under the impression that laws/punishment prevent crime? Of course they do. You put people in jail not to punish them but to segregate them. Empty the prisons and guess what would happen to crime rates. We need more prisons and more people in them. Keep them at least through their breeding years as well. Most crimes are committed by a small proportion of the population. You identify them and keep them away from decent people and life is better.
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