Charlie Kirk: If white privilege existed...

[P1tchblack]

One crappy biased study by lawyers seems to hold a lot of weight with you. I'm basing my assumption on it not being a real science and is subjective at it's core and done by biased lefties in a left wing field known for being dishonest. Who implied they did it to continue AA? Strawman. Be honest. Are you a lawyer?

Why do you assume that it's biased? Why do you assume it's dishonest?  Again, they didn't HAVE TO DO the study.  It was completely voluntary.

If you want to ask stupid question and make stupid statements then reply to someone else. What ***** study isn't voluntary? 
Lawyers at university doing a study. Of course it's biased and dishonest. Skunks smell.

It was involuntary in that they weren't being pressured to justify their affirmative action program.  By your rationale, what study isn't biased?  Is it impossible for humans to objectively look at data?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with their Supreme Court cases...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmativ...f_Michigan

 The study was done 4 years before the SCOTUS case was heard.

[maize]

Why do you assume that it's biased? Why do you assume it's dishonest?  Again, they didn't HAVE TO DO the study.  It was completely voluntary.

If you want to ask stupid question and make stupid statements then reply to someone else. What ***** study isn't voluntary? 
Lawyers at university doing a study. Of course it's biased and dishonest. Skunks smell.

It was involuntary in that they weren't being pressured to justify their affirmative action program.  By your rationale, what study isn't biased?  Is it impossible for humans to objectively look at data?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with their Supreme Court cases...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmativ...f_Michigan

 The study was done 4 years before the SCOTUS case was heard.

And you think one of the top 5 public colleges with regards to endowment had no clue a lawsuit might eventually come? Be honest here, I'm a diehard Michigan fan and I know this is a stain on the university. (unrelated, I did find it funny you used a UM study on an OSU board, nice work)

[P1tchblack]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

People who want to succeed will find a way to do so regardless of their race or background.  Happens every day.  We don't need to do away with necessary standards to make that possible.

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

[P1tchblack]

If you want to ask stupid question and make stupid statements then reply to someone else. What ***** study isn't voluntary? 
Lawyers at university doing a study. Of course it's biased and dishonest. Skunks smell.

It was involuntary in that they weren't being pressured to justify their affirmative action program.  By your rationale, what study isn't biased?  Is it impossible for humans to objectively look at data?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with their Supreme Court cases...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmativ...f_Michigan

 The study was done 4 years before the SCOTUS case was heard.

And you think one of the top 5 public colleges with regards to endowment had no clue a lawsuit might eventually come? Be honest here, I'm a diehard Michigan fan and I know this is a stain on the university. (unrelated, I did find it funny you used a UM study on an OSU board, nice work)

How would this study be used as defense? It doesn't even make sense as a defense.

[P1tchblack]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

Thanks.  I'll check it out.  It can be listened to for free on YouTube. 

More importantly,  have you watched Green Book, yet??

Never heard of it.

And you wanna be my latex salesman?

http://www.zigbeenuthouse.com/thread-65....Green+book

[Hightop77]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

People who want to succeed will find a way to do so regardless of their race or background.  Happens every day.  We don't need to do away with necessary standards to make that possible.

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

[P1tchblack]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

People who want to succeed will find a way to do so regardless of their race or background.  Happens every day.  We don't need to do away with necessary standards to make that possible.

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

[maize]

So what should entrance be based upon?

[Hightop77]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

People who want to succeed will find a way to do so regardless of their race or background.  Happens every day.  We don't need to do away with necessary standards to make that possible.

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

[P1tchblack]

People who want to succeed will find a way to do so regardless of their race or background.  Happens every day.  We don't need to do away with necessary standards to make that possible.

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

[Hightop77]

Thanks for making my point, whether you meant to or not.

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem.  In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior.  The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

[P1tchblack]

Your point is we need some form of affirmative action for people who don't make good grades or test well.  Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.

Again, not the point, but ok.

  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem. 

I never said they don't matter.  I'm saying they matter too much.  A high IQ and ability to take tests does not automatically correlate to success in the REAL world, as the study shows.

In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior. 

No, because there are a lot more factors involved than physical proximity.

The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

The people at UM, who's minds are closed like yours, are willing to accept reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly.  You should try it.

[Hightop77]

That is not my point at all. My point, which was based on the University of Michigan study among other things , is that the ability to do homework and take test is not as important as we think it is when it comes to success in the real world. Like I said, you would learn a lot if you read or listened to outliers. There is a lot surprising information regarding areas where you make a ton of assumptions.

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.

Again, not the point, but ok.

  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem. 

I never said they don't matter.  I'm saying they matter too much.  A high IQ and ability to take tests does not automatically correlate to success in the REAL world, as the study shows.

In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior. 

No, because there are a lot more factors involved than physical proximity.

The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

The people at UM, who's minds are closed like yours, are willing to accept reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly.  You should try it.

I have already explained their agenda.  They want to create the illusion that blacks are not getting a fair shake and that we should have different standards for them.  It's the same old crap we have been hearing for 60 years in a different form.

[P1tchblack]

They have an agenda that you are blind to.  They want to remove traditional standards which blacks do poorly on compared to other groups and create other ones that will result in people with less intelligence and less ability being admitted to programs they otherwise would not be admitted to.  They want a new type of affirmative action but want to disguise it as something else.  This is just another diversity program meaning it promotes mediocrity in the name of diversity.

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.

Again, not the point, but ok.

  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem. 

I never said they don't matter.  I'm saying they matter too much.  A high IQ and ability to take tests does not automatically correlate to success in the REAL world, as the study shows.

In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior. 

No, because there are a lot more factors involved than physical proximity.

The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

The people at UM, who's minds are closed like yours, are willing to accept reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly.  You should try it.

I have already explained their agenda.  They want to create the illusion that blacks are not getting a fair shake and that we should have different standards for them.  It's the same old crap we have been hearing for 60 years in a different form.

Again, everyone has an agenda, but they proved themselves to be justified because it's not ALL or just random blacks.  You're not going to pull an 80 IQ black kid off the street, put him in UofM Law and expect him to be a lawyer and nobody here, or in the study, is saying it could happen.  Stop with the strawmen already this morning.  I barely had breakfast.

[Hightop77]

I'm not saying they do or don't have an agenda.  You have an agenda.  I have an agenda.  Everyone has an agenda.  That's irrelevant to the realities of IQ, opportunity/success and cause & effect.

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.

Again, not the point, but ok.

  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem. 

I never said they don't matter.  I'm saying they matter too much.  A high IQ and ability to take tests does not automatically correlate to success in the REAL world, as the study shows.

In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior. 

No, because there are a lot more factors involved than physical proximity.

The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

The people at UM, who's minds are closed like yours, are willing to accept reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly.  You should try it.

I have already explained their agenda.  They want to create the illusion that blacks are not getting a fair shake and that we should have different standards for them.  It's the same old crap we have been hearing for 60 years in a different form.

Again, everyone has an agenda, but they proved themselves to be justified because it's not ALL or just random blacks.  You're not going to pull an 80 IQ black kid off the street, put him in UofM Law and expect him to be a lawyer and nobody here, or in the study, is saying it could happen.  Stop with the strawmen already this morning.  I barely had breakfast.

Not a strawman.  Affirmative action did just what you said above and that is why black affirmative action students have a massively high drop out and failure rate.  They simply could not do the work and nothing in their past indicated they could.  If people want to get into top programs, they study and prepare for years in most cases. They even spend time and money on courses that improve their standardized test scores.  That has nothing to do with race.  It is called dedication and hard work.  The libtards at UM want to ignore that and redo affirmative action using new terms and names.  As I said, people who are disadvantaged, regardless of race or status, can and do succeed and don't need another form of handout.  You keep using the strawman term but haven't a clue what it actually means it seems.