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#61
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:15 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after. The subjective measures should be used carefully to discriminate among those of equal testing not to elevate the less capable over the more capable. 
Also remember college is a starting point for many students. There's a level of intelligence below which you just are not going to be doing many things in academics. People with lower SAT scores aren't going to be doing science research, going to medical school, or writing novels. They just aren't. We need to be taking the best from an intelligence perspective and using subjective measures to decide between equally capable students. If that means the elite institutions are 100% Asians then so be it. Diversity is bullshit.

It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after.

That's an assumption that everyone makes, but has rarely been tested.  The study that University of Michigan's Law School conducted showed that the minority students who were accepted, despite significantly lower grade/test score qualifications, performed nearly identically to, if not better than, the "standard" students when their long term career success was compared.
Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?
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#62
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after.

That's an assumption that everyone makes, but has rarely been tested.  The study that University of Michigan's Law School conducted showed that the minority students who were accepted, despite significantly lower grade/test score qualifications, performed nearly identically to, if not better than, the "standard" students when their long term career success was compared.
Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?

So affirmative action students then become affirmative action employees.  All you are doing is creating mediocrity.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#63
(08-27-2019, 12:39 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:15 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after. The subjective measures should be used carefully to discriminate among those of equal testing not to elevate the less capable over the more capable. 
Also remember college is a starting point for many students. There's a level of intelligence below which you just are not going to be doing many things in academics. People with lower SAT scores aren't going to be doing science research, going to medical school, or writing novels. They just aren't. We need to be taking the best from an intelligence perspective and using subjective measures to decide between equally capable students. If that means the elite institutions are 100% Asians then so be it. Diversity is bullshit.

It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after.

That's an assumption that everyone makes, but has rarely been tested.  The study that University of Michigan's Law School conducted showed that the minority students who were accepted, despite significantly lower grade/test score qualifications, performed nearly identically to, if not better than, the "standard" students when their long term career success was compared.
Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.

So if academics are meaningless

Too early in the morning for such an egregious strawman.

to success then why does UM charge so much for tuition for preparing people for careers?  If you want to be a brain surgeon just hang out a shingle and see how successful you can be without going to medical school.  Forget all those standardized tests, GPA's and certifications.

You're as bad as my wife with your use of extremes to try to support your point. So, if you're done being completely irrational.... I never said that academics don't matter.  I never said that you can be successful at any  job without the correct educational background.  What I DID say was that academics, AS WAS PROVEN BY THE UofM Law study, makes it clear that academics aren't the only criteria to being good at a job.  So, if you're don't sodomizing the strawman, we can continue.
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#64
(08-27-2019, 12:51 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?

So affirmative action students then become affirmative action employees.  All you are doing is creating mediocrity.

If the AA students are matching, or exceeding, the success of non AA students, how is that creating mediocrity?
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#65
(08-27-2019, 12:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:39 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after.

That's an assumption that everyone makes, but has rarely been tested.  The study that University of Michigan's Law School conducted showed that the minority students who were accepted, despite significantly lower grade/test score qualifications, performed nearly identically to, if not better than, the "standard" students when their long term career success was compared.
Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.

So if academics are meaningless

Too early in the morning for such an egregious strawman.

to success then why does UM charge so much for tuition for preparing people for careers?  If you want to be a brain surgeon just hang out a shingle and see how successful you can be without going to medical school.  Forget all those standardized tests, GPA's and certifications.

You're as bad as my wife with your use of extremes to try to support your point. So, if you're done being completely irrational.... I never said that academics don't matter.  I never said that you can be successful at any  job without the correct educational background.  What I DID say was that academics, AS WAS PROVEN BY THE UofM Law study, makes it clear that academics aren't the only criteria to being good at a job.  So, if you're don't sodomizing the strawman, we can continue.
Your entire premise is people with poor academic backgrounds should still be admitted to the college programs of their choosing because they can be more successful than white people.  Don't walk away now.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#66
(08-27-2019, 12:53 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:51 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?

So affirmative action students then become affirmative action employees.  All you are doing is creating mediocrity.

If the AA students are matching, or exceeding, the success of non AA students, how is that creating mediocrity?

If they become AA employees, how is that successful?  All we are doing is perpetuating mediocrity for the sake of diversity.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#67
(08-27-2019, 12:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:39 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.

So if academics are meaningless

Too early in the morning for such an egregious strawman.

to success then why does UM charge so much for tuition for preparing people for careers?  If you want to be a brain surgeon just hang out a shingle and see how successful you can be without going to medical school.  Forget all those standardized tests, GPA's and certifications.

You're as bad as my wife with your use of extremes to try to support your point. So, if you're done being completely irrational.... I never said that academics don't matter.  I never said that you can be successful at any  job without the correct educational background.  What I DID say was that academics, AS WAS PROVEN BY THE UofM Law study, makes it clear that academics aren't the only criteria to being good at a job.  So, if you're don't sodomizing the strawman, we can continue.
Your entire premise is people with poor academic backgrounds should still be admitted to the college programs of their choosing because they can be more successful than white people.  Don't walk away now.

I never said poor academic backgrounds.  All I said is that the university had to lower their standards to get these students in.   And they didn't choose them because they can be more successful than white people.  They did it because they wanted to and, after the fact, found that they were as successful as students who didn't have their standards lowered.


The things you're doing to the strawman today would get you put in prison in any US state.
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#68
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:
It's been proven rather solidly that GPA and test scores are very predictive of future success in college and after.

That's an assumption that everyone makes, but has rarely been tested.  The study that University of Michigan's Law School conducted showed that the minority students who were accepted, despite significantly lower grade/test score qualifications, performed nearly identically to, if not better than, the "standard" students when their long term career success was compared.
Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?
One crappy biased study by lawyers seems to hold a lot of weight with you. I'm basing my assumption on it not being a real science and is subjective at it's core and done by biased lefties in a left wing field known for being dishonest. Who implied they did it to continue AA? Strawman. Be honest. Are you a lawyer?
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#69
Friend of mine has a theory to fix the majority of Student Loan debt.:

You go to a bank explain your Major and they give you a Student Loan based off what your potential earnings will be upon Graduation. And ability to pay back the Loan.

He believe's Colleges which charge the same tuition for Under Graduate study would then be forced into a tuition charged tier program based on your Major alleviating staggering student debt and making some Majors much more affordable to obtain and not saddling kids and parents with close to $80,000 in debt once they Graduate.
for a Degree in Socialism, Phys Ed, even Educational Studies.

Might have some merit, but will never happen.
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#70
(08-27-2019, 01:08 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 11:27 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote: Geez some liberal pseudointellectuals "found' that did they? Color me shocked. Of course people with lower test scores are as capable and successful as those with higher scores. C'mon. They just aren't.  Why doesn't Michigan just do away with the LSAT then? Of course that's law school. Measuring how dishonest a scumbag you are would likely be the best predictor of future success for that cohort.


UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?
One crappy biased study by lawyers seems to hold a lot of weight with you. I'm basing my assumption on it not being a real science and is subjective at it's core and done by biased lefties in a left wing field known for being dishonest. Who implied they did it to continue AA? Strawman. Be honest. Are you a lawyer?

Why do you assume that it's biased? Why do you assume it's dishonest?  Again, they didn't HAVE TO DO the study.  It was completely voluntary.
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#71
(08-27-2019, 01:07 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:55 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:52 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:39 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.

So if academics are meaningless

Too early in the morning for such an egregious strawman.

to success then why does UM charge so much for tuition for preparing people for careers?  If you want to be a brain surgeon just hang out a shingle and see how successful you can be without going to medical school.  Forget all those standardized tests, GPA's and certifications.

You're as bad as my wife with your use of extremes to try to support your point. So, if you're done being completely irrational.... I never said that academics don't matter.  I never said that you can be successful at any  job without the correct educational background.  What I DID say was that academics, AS WAS PROVEN BY THE UofM Law study, makes it clear that academics aren't the only criteria to being good at a job.  So, if you're don't sodomizing the strawman, we can continue.
Your entire premise is people with poor academic backgrounds should still be admitted to the college programs of their choosing because they can be more successful than white people.  Don't walk away now.

I never said poor academic backgrounds.  All I said is that the university had to lower their standards to get these students in.   And they didn't choose them because they can be more successful than white people.  They did it because they wanted to and, after the fact, found that they were as successful as students who didn't have their standards lowered.


The things you're doing to the strawman today would get you put in prison in any US state.

Go back to your post #32 where you said substandard grades and test scores should not be the basis for restricting people from moving forward in their chosen career field.
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#72
(08-27-2019, 01:13 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 01:08 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:48 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:35 PM)3rdgensooner Wrote:
(08-27-2019, 12:30 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: UofM did their own internal study for their own information.  It's not like they had an ulterior motive.  It's not like the people that were selected were mentally retarded, they just didn't have standardized test scores or gpa that is normally required.  It can't be that surprising that the people that have the noses buried in books, 24/7, may not have the skills required to be successful at all jobs.
BS. Liberal "academics" In pseudosciences do biased studies all the time. Read a sociology journal some time. It's a real eye opener. I doubt law is much different given it's a lefty field. Can you cite the study showing reading a lot decreases certain job skills? The fact is they like subjective measures because they can manipulate them to have their desired outcome. In this case "diversity". The notion the less intelligent will do as well as the more intelligent is false regardless of a "study" by lawyers.

UofM had been using affirmative action for years before the study happened.  They didn't have to do the study to continue the AA program, so what are you basing your assumptions on?
One crappy biased study by lawyers seems to hold a lot of weight with you. I'm basing my assumption on it not being a real science and is subjective at it's core and done by biased lefties in a left wing field known for being dishonest. Who implied they did it to continue AA? Strawman. Be honest. Are you a lawyer?

Why do you assume that it's biased? Why do you assume it's dishonest?  Again, they didn't HAVE TO DO the study.  It was completely voluntary.
If you want to ask stupid question and make stupid statements then reply to someone else. What ***** study isn't voluntary? 
Lawyers at university doing a study. Of course it's biased and dishonest. Skunks smell.
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