Charlie Kirk: If white privilege existed...

[P1tchblack]

The realities of IQ should mean that no one should be surprised when blacks don't generally do as well in school or standardized tests.

Again, not the point, but ok.

  To say those things don't matter as an excuse to ignore reality is the real problem. 

I never said they don't matter.  I'm saying they matter too much.  A high IQ and ability to take tests does not automatically correlate to success in the REAL world, as the study shows.

In a related issue, we were told blacks would be as successful as whites if we just integrated the schools.  That obviously didn't happen and there are reasons for that related to intelligence and tendencies toward violent behavior. 

No, because there are a lot more factors involved than physical proximity.

The people at UM want to ignore all that and try to sell us that good grades and good test scores mean nothing because to say otherwise would kill their agenda.

The people at UM, who's minds are closed like yours, are willing to accept reality and adjust their beliefs accordingly.  You should try it.

I have already explained their agenda.  They want to create the illusion that blacks are not getting a fair shake and that we should have different standards for them.  It's the same old crap we have been hearing for 60 years in a different form.

Again, everyone has an agenda, but they proved themselves to be justified because it's not ALL or just random blacks.  You're not going to pull an 80 IQ black kid off the street, put him in UofM Law and expect him to be a lawyer and nobody here, or in the study, is saying it could happen.  Stop with the strawmen already this morning.  I barely had breakfast.

Not a strawman.  Affirmative action did just what you said above and that is why black affirmative action students have a massively high drop out and failure rate. 

Yes, that can happen if you select kids that don't meet at least a known minimum intelligence level to be able to complete a specific level of college.  There's no connection between a schools requirements and what the real-world requirements are.

They simply could not do the work and nothing in their past indicated they could.

See above.

If people want to get into top programs, they study and prepare for years in most cases. They even spend time and money on courses that improve their standardized test scores.  That has nothing to do with race.  It is called dedication and hard work. 

Wrong.

The libtards at UM want to ignore that and redo affirmative action using new terms and names. 

UM has factual evidence to support the belief that non-qualifying students can complete and be as successful as those students who met their standard requirements.  That's because you don't have to meet a universities random requirements to be able to complete their Law program and be successful. That is reality.

As I said, people who are disadvantaged, regardless of race or status, can and do succeed and don't need another form of handout.  

Handout?  No.  Help along the way?  Everyone needs that.  Nobody, even the richest men in the world, didn't get to where they are without help along the way.

You keep using the strawman term but haven't a clue what it actually means it seems. 

[3rdgensooner]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

[P1tchblack]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

[3rdgensooner]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

[P1tchblack]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = what you want to believe.

It's ok, it's not uncommon for people to look for the echo chamber and shy away from anything that might change their mind or enlighten them.  Enjoy Fox News!

[3rdgensooner]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = what you want to believe.

It's ok, it's not uncommon for people to look for the echo chamber and shy away from anything that might change their mind or enlighten them.  Enjoy Fox News!

Yes you should stop that. Read a little more than one bad study and one book just because they appeal to your preconceived notions. Take a look at the reality that is easy to see and then you won't constantly just be shouting  out your narrow minded views in your echo chamber .

[P1tchblack]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = anything that contradicts what you want to believe.

[Alabuckeye]

"I know you are, but what am I????"

Someone needs to add the classic

"i'm rubber, you are glue, bounces off me and sticks to you"

[P1tchblack]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = what you want to believe.

It's ok, it's not uncommon for people to look for the echo chamber and shy away from anything that might change their mind or enlighten them.  Enjoy Fox News!

Yes you should stop that. Read a little more than one bad study and one book just because they appeal to your preconceived notions. Take a look at the reality that is easy to see and then you won't constantly just be shouting  out your narrow minded views in your echo chamber .

They weren't my preconceived notions.  I was, and for the most part still am, very much against affirmative action.  I didn't read the book to have my opinion changed, i read the book because it was recommended and, in general, my mind is open to taking in information that is contrary to what I currently believe, so my opinion adjusted accordingly.  You and HT are not. Again, no skin off my back.

[3rdgensooner]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = anything that contradicts what you want to believe.

That actually isn't the definition of ignorance. Perhaps that's why you're ignorant , you don't know what ignorance is. Step out of your echo chamber . One study from dishonest lefties confirmed your biases and ignorant views and you got all excited. Expand your horizons and learn and get out of that echo chamber.

[P1tchblack]

UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. UM study. Squawk! Polly wants a cracker.
Study is BS completely contradicted by reality. Contradicted by drop out rates. Contradicted by bar passage rates. On and on. 
Things other than test scores and grades should be considered but only to try to differentiate among candidates with similar qualifications not to fake a way for admittance for the underqualified.

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = anything that contradicts what you want to believe.

That actually isn't the definition of ignorance. Perhaps that's why you're ignorant , you don't know what ignorance is. Step out of your echo chamber . One study from dishonest lefties confirmed your biases and ignorant views and you got all excited. Expand your horizons and learn and get out of that echo chamber.

No, it's not the definition, but it still fits in this situation.  Like I told HT, I don't care if you listen to the whole book, the part I suggested or none of it, so you can stop defending your choice.

[3rdgensooner]

There's a lot more than just the UM study.... but I can assure you that no amount of evidence would change your mind.  Your mind is clearly closed to any enlightening.

Yeah no there isn't. My mind is closed to ignorance. Reality slaps that BS right in the face.

Ignorance = anything that contradicts what you want to believe.

That actually isn't the definition of ignorance. Perhaps that's why you're ignorant , you don't know what ignorance is. Step out of your echo chamber . One study from dishonest lefties confirmed your biases and ignorant views and you got all excited. Expand your horizons and learn and get out of that echo chamber.

No, it's not the definition, but it still fits in this situation.  Like I told HT, I don't care if you listen to the whole book, the part I suggested or none of it, so you can stop defending your choice.

You should read the Atlantic article posted and the research it's based on. Get out of that echo chamber see reality and stop just looking and things that confirm your biases and leave you so narrow minded.

[P1tchblack]

Many of you would be very well served to read, or listen to the audiobook of, Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. There are lots of very narrow views on display here.

Thanks.  I'll check it out.  It can be listened to for free on YouTube. 

More importantly,  have you watched Green Book, yet??

Never heard of it.

And you wanna be my latex salesman?

http://www.zigbeenuthouse.com/thread-65....Green+book

Explain yourself, K9Buck!