Charlottesville Confederate Statue Update

[P1tchblack]

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

They aren't also used to show innocence of the cops? 

"Police equipped with body-worn cameras receive 93% fewer complaints from the public, according to a new study that suggests the technology helps to cool down potentially volatile encounters.

Academics at Cambridge University, whose research looked at nearly 1.5m beat hours across more than 4,000 shifts by officers in the UK and California, claim their findings suggest the cameras herald a “profound sea change in modern policing”.

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Lead author Dr Barak Ariel, from Cambridgeâ€s Institute of Criminology, said: “The cameras create an equilibrium between the account of the officer and the account of the suspect about the same event – increasing accountability on both sides.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...ints-study

Of course. Cameras are going to keep both sides honest and in check.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I don't see anything about both sides with this comment...

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.

You should watch some live PD. I watched an episode recently. Policeman (black cop walked after another black dude, who kept walking away after robbing someone) cop said he was gonna taser him if he kept walking, within a half second cop was shot). Black cop chose to buy camera glasses and wear them. Thankfully people in the neighborhood watched and assisted the officer.

Like I said earlier, I post videos that show bad police behavior.  That doesn't mean ALL videos show bad police behavior.

 I watch Live PD all the time.

[P1tchblack]

From the above research.

This graph is also consistent with what I had been told... moving the IQ, increasing the score, can be done but the effect is negligible. Most of the variance can be explained by the differences in the manner professionals give the test.  

In fact, the study, if I read correctly, attributes only 1/3 of any increase in IQ to large scale educational intervention. Even then, the authors are careful to disclose any evidence that suggest education/schooling can increase IQ scores is controversial and has yet to conclusively prove any casual relationship, especially given this was a quasi experimental study... quasi-experiments are subject to concerns regarding internal validity.

There are questions and concerns because it's, among other things, a very difficult experiment to conduct, but the results seem to show thay IQ can be impacted by external factors. In this case, basically it was 2 additional years of required government schooling.  So, once you have evidence to show that length of education can impact it, you have to believe that other factors which impact education may influence it.

[Hightop77]

How did this thread become another part of the Pitchblack anti-cop crusade?

[P1tchblack]

How did this thread become another part of the Pitchblack anti-cop crusade?

va1bucksfan1 brought it up.... as anyone with the ability to read and comprehend would see.

[BoyGenius]

This graph is also consistent with what I had been told... moving the IQ, increasing the score, can be done but the effect is negligible. Most of the variance can be explained by the differences in the manner professionals give the test.  

In fact, the study, if I read correctly, attributes only 1/3 of any increase in IQ to large scale educational intervention. Even then, the authors are careful to disclose any evidence that suggest education/schooling can increase IQ scores is controversial and has yet to conclusively prove any casual relationship, especially given this was a quasi experimental study... quasi-experiments are subject to concerns regarding internal validity.

There are questions and concerns because it's, among other things, a very difficult experiment to conduct, but the results seem to show thay IQ can be impacted by external factors. In this case, basically it was 2 additional years of required government schooling.  So, once you have evidence to show that length of education can impact it, you have to believe that other factors which impact education may influence it.

Even the authors concede there in no evidence that conclusively proves the causal relationship. You can take leaps of faith if you wish, but IQ cannot be meaningfully increased.

[Hightop77]

How did this thread become another part of the Pitchblack anti-cop crusade?

va1bucksfan1 brought it up.... as anyone with the ability to read and comprehend would see.

He mentioned them just as an example of your methodology.  You took it from there.

[P1tchblack]

How did this thread become another part of the Pitchblack anti-cop crusade?

va1bucksfan1 brought it up.... as anyone with the ability to read and comprehend would see.

He mentioned them just as an example of your methodology.  You took it from there.

You asked a question and I answered it.

[zigbee]

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.  

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

[Hightop77]

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.  

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

zig, you are the one who mentioned blacks being inferior because of lower average IQ.  And for the hundredth time, its not actually the skin color that causes it.  And of course what you are really blind to is the fact that blacks live in bad environments including bad homes, because they CREATE them.  I saw streets, neighborhoods, schools, school systems and entire sections of cities go down hill after becoming predominantly black.  That is the rule and the pattern all across America.  And now we have examples of countries being taken down the tubes after going from white rule to black rule.

[zigbee]

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.  

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

zig, you are the one who mentioned blacks being inferior because of lower average IQ.  And for the hundredth time, its not actually the skin color that causes it.  And of course what you are really blind to is the fact that blacks live in bad environments including bad homes, because they CREATE them.  I saw streets, neighborhoods, schools, school systems and entire sections of cities go down hill after becoming predominantly black.  That is the rule and the pattern all across America.  And now we have examples of countries being taken down the tubes after going from white rule to black rule.

Read it.  I didn't say I believe that.  I said you must.    So, you said this: its not actually the skin color that causes it.   Then in your mind, what does cause IT?

Environment issues are complex but you seem to think it's simple.   It's not.   Poverty breeds poverty.  See Appalachia for an example.   People need examples set.  They need guidance.   Were your parents thieves?   Murderers?  Just think of this a bit and let it settle in.

And answer the above question first without the Straw Man phrase.  You said it's NOT ACTUALLY skin color...then what is it?  Men are essentially the same creations...we just all live differently.  If black people are not capable of being just fine people like whites at the same % of not committing crimes, having kids out of wedlock, doing drugs at same %, etc then why is this so?  Answer this first.  Tell us what you think the reason is.

[Hightop77]

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

zig, you are the one who mentioned blacks being inferior because of lower average IQ.  And for the hundredth time, its not actually the skin color that causes it.  And of course what you are really blind to is the fact that blacks live in bad environments including bad homes, because they CREATE them.  I saw streets, neighborhoods, schools, school systems and entire sections of cities go down hill after becoming predominantly black.  That is the rule and the pattern all across America.  And now we have examples of countries being taken down the tubes after going from white rule to black rule.

Read it.  I didn't say I believe that.  I said you must.    So, you said this: its not actually the skin color that causes it.   Then in your mind, what does cause IT?

Environment issues are complex but you seem to think it's simple.   It's not.   Poverty breeds poverty.  See Appalachia for an example.   People need examples set.  They need guidance.   Were your parents thieves?   Murderers?  Just think of this a bit and let it settle in.

And answer the above question first without the Straw Man phrase.  You said it's NOT ACTUALLY skin color...then what is it?  Men are essentially the same creations...we just all live differently.  If black people are not capable of being just fine people like whites at the same % of not committing crimes, having kids out of wedlock, doing drugs at same %, etc then why is this so?  Answer this first.  Tell us what you think the reason is.

Just as I said.  You are so predictable.  You go right back to your template of refusing to address the overwhelming evidence and instead go straight to bringing up some low end white people in Appalachia.   And of course the real straw man.  No one said all blacks are incapable of living in a civilized free society.  Even though we have clear and endless evidence of how blacks can take once great cities like Detroit and Baltimore and turn them into third world sh*t holes, you cling to your view and say well those cities must have been bad beforehand which is totally delusional.

[zigbee]

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

zig, you are the one who mentioned blacks being inferior because of lower average IQ.  And for the hundredth time, its not actually the skin color that causes it.  And of course what you are really blind to is the fact that blacks live in bad environments including bad homes, because they CREATE them.  I saw streets, neighborhoods, schools, school systems and entire sections of cities go down hill after becoming predominantly black.  That is the rule and the pattern all across America.  And now we have examples of countries being taken down the tubes after going from white rule to black rule.

Read it.  I didn't say I believe that.  I said you must.    So, you said this: its not actually the skin color that causes it.   Then in your mind, what does cause IT?

Environment issues are complex but you seem to think it's simple.   It's not.   Poverty breeds poverty.  See Appalachia for an example.   People need examples set.  They need guidance.   Were your parents thieves?   Murderers?  Just think of this a bit and let it settle in.

And answer the above question first without the Straw Man phrase.  You said it's NOT ACTUALLY skin color...then what is it?  Men are essentially the same creations...we just all live differently.  If black people are not capable of being just fine people like whites at the same % of not committing crimes, having kids out of wedlock, doing drugs at same %, etc then why is this so?  Answer this first.  Tell us what you think the reason is.

Just as I said.  You are so predictable.  You go right back to your template of refusing to address the overwhelming evidence and instead go straight to bringing up some low end white people in Appalachia.   And of course the real straw man.  No one said all blacks are incapable of living in a civilized free society.  Even though we have clear and endless evidence of how blacks can take once great cities like Detroit and Baltimore and turn them into third world sh*t holes, you cling to your view and say well those cities must have been bad beforehand which is totally delusional.

Blah, blah blah...won't answer why blacks are incapable of living in a civilized free society,  and that is very predictable.   I never said there were not issues.  I maintain those issues come from environment like whites in Appalachia...what do you think cause the problems among blacks?  Can you just answer the question without saying straw man and blah blah blah?  We've read this countless times from you.  What do you really think?  It's that simple.

[Hightop77]

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can't post without that old reliable phrase which means zero.  And you do a lot of supposing...like I consider myself inferior to people with higher IQ.   

Yes, it's environment.  You say no because just LOOK at the, um,  well, PLACES THEY LIVE IN?  The ENVIRONMENT ?   Hmmmmmmm  You seem to say it's that they are just born that way....like the color of the skin?  Like the breed of dog again?  Just genetics?  Can't help that?  Hmmmmmm.  Do you consider yourself superior to people who commit crimes?  Do drugs?  Kill others?

zig, you are the one who mentioned blacks being inferior because of lower average IQ.  And for the hundredth time, its not actually the skin color that causes it.  And of course what you are really blind to is the fact that blacks live in bad environments including bad homes, because they CREATE them.  I saw streets, neighborhoods, schools, school systems and entire sections of cities go down hill after becoming predominantly black.  That is the rule and the pattern all across America.  And now we have examples of countries being taken down the tubes after going from white rule to black rule.

Read it.  I didn't say I believe that.  I said you must.    So, you said this: its not actually the skin color that causes it.   Then in your mind, what does cause IT?

Environment issues are complex but you seem to think it's simple.   It's not.   Poverty breeds poverty.  See Appalachia for an example.   People need examples set.  They need guidance.   Were your parents thieves?   Murderers?  Just think of this a bit and let it settle in.

And answer the above question first without the Straw Man phrase.  You said it's NOT ACTUALLY skin color...then what is it?  Men are essentially the same creations...we just all live differently.  If black people are not capable of being just fine people like whites at the same % of not committing crimes, having kids out of wedlock, doing drugs at same %, etc then why is this so?  Answer this first.  Tell us what you think the reason is.

Just as I said.  You are so predictable.  You go right back to your template of refusing to address the overwhelming evidence and instead go straight to bringing up some low end white people in Appalachia.   And of course the real straw man.  No one said all blacks are incapable of living in a civilized free society.  Even though we have clear and endless evidence of how blacks can take once great cities like Detroit and Baltimore and turn them into third world sh*t holes, you cling to your view and say well those cities must have been bad beforehand which is totally delusional.

Blah, blah blah...won't answer why blacks are incapable of living in a civilized free society,  and that is very predictable.   I never said there were not issues.  I maintain those issues come from environment like whites in Appalachia...what do you think cause the problems among blacks?  Can you just answer the question without saying straw man and blah blah blah?  We've read this countless times from you.  What do you really think?  It's that simple.

How did Pitchblack hack zig's account??   Same MO.  Answer his questions and then he pretends you didn't.  

[zigbee]

Just answer...is it that hard?  What are the reasons in your mind blacks are not successful and live in shitholes?   I gave my reasoning.  Lets see yours?  Using straw man or saying p1tch is me or whatever doesn't help you at all.

[P1tchblack]