Charlottesville Confederate Statue Update

[va1bucksfan1]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on. Good stuff. Thanks for the laughs.

[P1tchblack]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

[BoyGenius]

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring. As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

Can you provide a link to the research that shows "external influences... impact IQ test scoring"? That contradicts everything I have been taught/told about IQ by professionals who have given my daughter multiple IQ tests.

[P1tchblack]

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring. As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

Can you provide a link to the research that shows "external influences... impact IQ test scoring"? That contradicts everything I have been taught/told about IQ by professionals who have given my daughter multiple IQ tests.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3258640/

[P1tchblack]

From the above research.

[zigbee]

The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.

You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.  

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

[P1tchblack]

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring. As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

Can you provide a link to the research that shows "external influences... impact IQ test scoring"? That contradicts everything I have been taught/told about IQ by professionals who have given my daughter multiple IQ tests.

In addition to what I posted above, here's research on several other ways education can impact Intelligence.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/200b/c8757f5265bf999c898f524b861ff525bb1a.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiOuc74hv7hAhVhwFQKHVm0CtMQFjABegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0-PHgUXlxoa5JTdZ8APMNA

[Hightop77]

You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.  

I've taken no beating at all.  I exposed you as what you believe which is blacks are inferior to whites as they are just born that way.  Correct?   Like the breed of dog which some are smarter or better trained due to BREEDING.  Correct?  Has zero to do in your mind with environment or nurturing it just boils down to genetics?  Right?

And neither of you two can EVER reply or post without using the term straw man.  In your mind you win a debate throwing that out.  Just because you THINK you are right on here doesn't mean so.  Opinions do not win debates.   Expressing them does not win debate.  All I wanted was to see what you thought and there we have it.

Thanks.

OBTW, I don't believe in races being superior due to genetics but I"m sure the STRAW MAN about blacks being athletic is sure to be posted soon.   And I'm positive that environment has a more to do with intelligence that other factors as we can't judge intelligence until children are of a certain age.  

I'm really not into calling anyone anything on here.  I let the poster expose themselves as their true beliefs.

True to form you just dragged out another straw man.  I have never used the word inferior regarding blacks at all.  Do you consider yourself inferior to people with higher IQ's than you?  Apparently you do.  The reality is the black average IQ is lower.  Does that contribute to the problems they have?   Of course it does but no one called them inferior.  Your silly argument about environment is ridiculous considering the condition of blacks worldwide including their violence, crime and poverty which is hardly limited to the United States.  I think we could make some progress if you would just stop mischaracterizing my comments.

[va1bucksfan1]

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

There you have it folks. Pitch says videos are meant to show bad behavior by cops. That's why videos exist...to show that cops are bad. Gosh, thank goodness he doesn't hate the police. LOL!

[maize]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

They aren't also used to show innocence of the cops? 

"Police equipped with body-worn cameras receive 93% fewer complaints from the public, according to a new study that suggests the technology helps to cool down potentially volatile encounters.

Academics at Cambridge University, whose research looked at nearly 1.5m beat hours across more than 4,000 shifts by officers in the UK and California, claim their findings suggest the cameras herald a “profound sea change in modern policing”.

Read more
[url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/29/sir-bernard-hogan-howe-to-retire-as-met-police-commissioner][/url]

Lead author Dr Barak Ariel, from Cambridgeâ€s Institute of Criminology, said: “The cameras create an equilibrium between the account of the officer and the account of the suspect about the same event – increasing accountability on both sides.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...ints-study

[va1bucksfan1]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

They aren't also used to show innocence of the cops? 

"Police equipped with body-worn cameras receive 93% fewer complaints from the public, according to a new study that suggests the technology helps to cool down potentially volatile encounters.

Academics at Cambridge University, whose research looked at nearly 1.5m beat hours across more than 4,000 shifts by officers in the UK and California, claim their findings suggest the cameras herald a “profound sea change in modern policing”.

Read more
[url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/29/sir-bernard-hogan-howe-to-retire-as-met-police-commissioner][/url]

Lead author Dr Barak Ariel, from Cambridgeâ€s Institute of Criminology, said: “The cameras create an equilibrium between the account of the officer and the account of the suspect about the same event – increasing accountability on both sides.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...ints-study

 
C'mon, get with the program, Maize.  Pitch - the omniscient one - has instructed us that "They're [videos] meant to show bad behavior by cops".

That is their purpose.

Pitch has spoken.  LOL!

[P1tchblack]

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

There you have it folks.  Pitch says videos are meant to show bad behavior by cops.  That's why videos exist...to show that cops are bad.  Gosh, thank goodness he doesn't hate the police.  LOL!

The videos I post are meant to show bad behavior by cops, not determine guilt or innocence. This is not breaking news. I don't post videos of traffic stops where the person gets a warning and goes on their merry way. Nice try though.

[P1tchblack]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

They aren't also used to show innocence of the cops? 

"Police equipped with body-worn cameras receive 93% fewer complaints from the public, according to a new study that suggests the technology helps to cool down potentially volatile encounters.

Academics at Cambridge University, whose research looked at nearly 1.5m beat hours across more than 4,000 shifts by officers in the UK and California, claim their findings suggest the cameras herald a “profound sea change in modern policing”.

Read more
[url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/29/sir-bernard-hogan-howe-to-retire-as-met-police-commissioner][/url]

Lead author Dr Barak Ariel, from Cambridgeâ€s Institute of Criminology, said: “The cameras create an equilibrium between the account of the officer and the account of the suspect about the same event – increasing accountability on both sides.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...ints-study

Of course. Cameras are going to keep both sides honest and in check.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[maize]

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

The hilarity of the irony your spew forth is boundless.

But more great quotes to mirror back at you in your next cop-hating thread, where the cop is ALWAYS the bad guy, ALWAYS guilty, and you're ALWAYS omniscient about how the incident with your heroic thugs unfolded before cameras were turned on.  Good stuff.  Thanks for the laughs.

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.  It's you and others who try to rationalize it.

They aren't also used to show innocence of the cops? 

"Police equipped with body-worn cameras receive 93% fewer complaints from the public, according to a new study that suggests the technology helps to cool down potentially volatile encounters.

Academics at Cambridge University, whose research looked at nearly 1.5m beat hours across more than 4,000 shifts by officers in the UK and California, claim their findings suggest the cameras herald a “profound sea change in modern policing”.

Read more
[url=https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/29/sir-bernard-hogan-howe-to-retire-as-met-police-commissioner][/url]

Lead author Dr Barak Ariel, from Cambridgeâ€s Institute of Criminology, said: “The cameras create an equilibrium between the account of the officer and the account of the suspect about the same event – increasing accountability on both sides.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016...ints-study

Of course. Cameras are going to keep both sides honest and in check.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I don't see anything about both sides with this comment...

Videos show what videos show.  They aren't meant to determine guilt or innocence.  They're meant to show bad behavior by cops.

You should watch some live PD. I watched an episode recently. Policeman (black cop walked after another black dude, who kept walking away after robbing someone) cop said he was gonna taser him if he kept walking, within a half second cop was shot). Black cop chose to buy camera glasses and wear them. Thankfully people in the neighborhood watched and assisted the officer.

[BoyGenius]

From the above research.

This graph is also consistent with what I had been told... moving the IQ, increasing the score, can be done but the effect is negligible. Most of the variance can be explained by the differences in the manner professionals give the test.

In fact, the study, if I read correctly, attributes only 1/3 of any increase in IQ to large scale educational intervention. Even then, the authors are careful to disclose any evidence that suggest education/schooling can increase IQ scores is controversial and has yet to conclusively prove any casual relationship, especially given this was a quasi experimental study... quasi-experiments are subject to concerns regarding internal validity.