Charlottesville Confederate Statue Update

[Hightop77]

Has anyone ever actually attributed anything to melanin content? Sounds like a pretty dumb straw man to me.

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

[Brutus Buckeye]

Has anyone ever actually attributed anything to melanin content? Sounds like a pretty dumb straw man to me.

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.

[Brutus Buckeye]

Has anyone ever actually attributed anything to melanin content? Sounds like a pretty dumb straw man to me.

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

Just think how out of control those crime stats would be if they weren't getting buoyed by all those zero melanin black albinos dragging down the numbers by obeying all of the rules all the time.

[zigbee]

Has anyone ever actually attributed anything to melanin content? Sounds like a pretty dumb straw man to me.

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

[zigbee]

Has anyone ever actually attributed anything to melanin content? Sounds like a pretty dumb straw man to me.

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.

You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

[Hightop77]

Again, ask HighTop if he thinks the black race is essentially evil or at least in capable to being civilized.  If he says no then you have your answer.  I really don't know.

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

[zigbee]

Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

[Hightop77]

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

This is what you do.  I give you a massive example of how your ideas are totally wrong and have been completely discredited and you just ignore it.

[P1tchblack]

I get that there is historical value in statues and other memorabilia tied to and embarrassing time in our country, but it is somewhat strange that the government would go to such lengths to protect such memorabilia on public land when it clearly sends a bad message to a large parts of citizens in the state.

[zigbee]

Actually we are talking about patterns of behavior and actions that apparently you are completely oblivious to even though they exist in every city in America and throughout the world.  We can point out statistical evidence all day long about the crime and violence of blacks that is in complete disproportion to their population and the unique dysfunction of black culture and your response is finding a white guy who does bad things or blaming welfare handouts.  We give you irrefutable facts and you turn your head and ignore them.  You cannot be this blind. No one is saying all black people are bad and all white people are righteous but for you to keep denying reality is totally irrational.

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

This is what you do.  I give you a massive example of how your ideas are totally wrong and have been completely discredited and you just ignore it.

Ignore what?  I said they have problems.  I gave my explanation. You did not disprove anything with the stats.  Zero.  WHAT IS THE REASON for the stats?    What is your explanation was to why a high percent of black people commit crime?  Not that hard.

[Hightop77]

I'm not ignoring any facts.  You've missed all I have said about this or you ignore what I've said.   I maintain the problems with the black society in terms of high % of crime has more to do with environment and.

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

This is what you do.  I give you a massive example of how your ideas are totally wrong and have been completely discredited and you just ignore it.

Ignore what?  I said they have problems.  I gave my explanation. You did not disprove anything with the stats.  Zero.  WHAT IS THE REASON for the stats?    What is your explanation was to why a high percent of black people commit crime?  Not that hard.

Stats?  You can't even follow the history and the logic.  Not only was the Leftist education model of forced integration a failure, open housing laws, affirmative action and welfare handouts proved the exact same thing.  You can move blacks into the white schools and the white neighborhoods and give them anything they want and it does not change the culture and behavior.  It just moves it to another location and causes it to grow.

[zigbee]

Yes of course you do because you think it absolves blacks of all personal responsibility and explains their dysfunctional behavior.  Its the same craziness that said 50 years ago, if we just put black students in the white schools they will suddenly become more intelligent and better behaved.  50 years later, with those once white schools now in shambles, we clearly see how foolish that idea was.  Environment changes might help a small percentage but that is all.

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

This is what you do.  I give you a massive example of how your ideas are totally wrong and have been completely discredited and you just ignore it.

Ignore what?  I said they have problems.  I gave my explanation. You did not disprove anything with the stats.  Zero.  WHAT IS THE REASON for the stats?    What is your explanation was to why a high percent of black people commit crime?  Not that hard.

Stats?  You can't even follow the history and the logic.  Not only was the Leftist education model of forced integration a failure, open housing laws, affirmative action and welfare handouts proved the exact same thing.  You can move blacks into the white schools and the white neighborhoods and give them anything they want and it does not change the culture and behavior.  It just moves it to another location and causes it to grow.

This is tiresome....you don't agree.  Ok, what is your explanation?  Is it that hard?

[Hightop77]

I don't absolve anything.  ALL people should be held accountable.  I'm offering an explanation.   What is yours?

Environmental changes is very important to changing behavior.   Ever seen the movie changing places?  The entire movie is based on it.  So it is not just me saying this.  You can reject or accept but that is my position.

Again, what is your explanation then?

This is what you do.  I give you a massive example of how your ideas are totally wrong and have been completely discredited and you just ignore it.

Ignore what?  I said they have problems.  I gave my explanation. You did not disprove anything with the stats.  Zero.  WHAT IS THE REASON for the stats?    What is your explanation was to why a high percent of black people commit crime?  Not that hard.

Stats?  You can't even follow the history and the logic.  Not only was the Leftist education model of forced integration a failure, open housing laws, affirmative action and welfare handouts proved the exact same thing.  You can move blacks into the white schools and the white neighborhoods and give them anything they want and it does not change the culture and behavior.  It just moves it to another location and causes it to grow.

This is tiresome....you don't agree.  Ok, what is your explanation?  Is it that hard?

You are going the Pitchblack route now which is sad.  If you can't respond honestly to real arguments then there is nothing much left to say.

[zigbee]

The nothing more to say is you.  I gave my reasoning.  Its not accepted by you.  No big deal.  NOW, AGAIN, what is your explanation for this high percent of black crime, behavior, and so forth?  You are the one unwilling to say what you really feel.  I'm giving you this forum to state your beliefs as I did.   I guess if you don't want to answer then the members will assume things about your beliefs is all.

[stxbuck]

people are racist for posting crap from sites like Amren or immediately assuming someone is a criminal/negative influence due to the melanin content of their skin.

Are people also racist for accusing others indiscriminately of such things?

This post is 3v level stupid. I realize that you are unwilling or incapable of actually articulating your own viewpoints in this thread/subject, but just jump on anyone stating a viewpoint different than HT's like a particularly stupid mynah bird.