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I don't know that I have ever experienced an encounter with a "ghost" (spirit), but I do believe that they exist. Â
Here is a brief explanation of what they are by a Catholic philosopher. Â
https://churchpop.com/2017/10/27/real-bu...of-ghosts/
Do ghosts really exist? And if so, how should Catholics think about them?
The prolific Catholic Dr. Peter Kreeft, professor of philosophy at Boston College, gives a resounding ‘yesâ€Â to the first question and a great explanation to the second.
“[Even] [w]ithout our action or invitation, the dead often do appear to the living,†Kreeft asserts. “There is enormous evidence of ‘ghosts†in all cultures.â€
The first thing Catholics should know about ghosts, Kreeft explains, is that we should not try to contact or communicate with them. Any kind of participation in the occult or spiritism is sinful. “We are out of our depth,†Kreeft explains, and there is “danger of deception by evil spirits.†This is why, when it comes to supernatural things, we should stick exclusively with God, his revelation, and his Church.
But how does the existence of ghosts fit into our faith?
Kreeft suggests there are three kinds of ghosts, one kind from each of the places of the afterlife:
1) Ghosts from hell
“[T]here are malicious and deceptive spirits,†Kreeft explains, “and since they are deceptive, they hardly ever appear malicious. These are probably the ones who respond to conjurings at sÃances. They probably come from Hell. Even the chance of that happening should be sufficient to terrify away all temptation to necromancy..â€
2) Ghosts from purgatory
This is “the most familiar kind: the sad ones, the wispy ones,†Kreef explains. “They seem to be working out some unfinished earthly business, or suffering some purgatorial purification until released from their earthly, business. These ghosts would seem to be the ones who just barely made it to Purgatory, who feel little or no joy yet and who need to learn many painful lessons about their past lives on earth.â€
3) Ghosts from heaven
Lastly, “there are the bright, happy spirits of dead friends and family, especially spouses, who appear unbidden, at Godâ€s will, not ours, with messages of hope and love. They seem to come from Heaven. Unlike the purgatorial ghosts who come back primarily for their own sakes, these bright spirits come back for the sake of us the living, to tell us all is well.â€
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I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
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(04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
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(04-24-2019, 06:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
Tell the story about you seeing the ghost. I vaguely remember a story about a woman( medium) who had contact with the dead and gave you some information that no one could know. I remember most of your stories.
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(04-24-2019, 06:35 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
Tell the story about you seeing the ghost. I vaguely remember a story about a woman( medium) who had contact with the dead and gave you some information that no one could know. I remember most of your stories. I wasn't talking about ghosts. I don't know if "ghosts" exist. I just know that we transition after death to a spiritual realm. There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name. Debra Martin, who charged nothing when I met her, is one of the legitimate ones. She relayed messages to me from both parents and both brothers who had passed. Messages in minute detail and nothing general. Specific incidences and experiences that only my family and I knew. And she got NOTHING wrong, so forget about all the "fishing" readings so many charlatans do. One solid hour of confirmations.Â
 I asked questions, and specific, correct answers were given. I challenged her statements and tried to trip her up. Nope. She gave me the correct answers every time. A life changing experience.  And I would have absolutely no reason to make this shiit up and relay it to a bunch of strangers on a talk forum.  No reason at all.
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(04-24-2019, 06:48 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:35 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
Tell the story about you seeing the ghost. I vaguely remember a story about a woman( medium) who had contact with the dead and gave you some information that no one could know. I remember most of your stories. I wasn't talking about ghosts. I don't know if "ghosts" exist. I just know that we transition after death to a spiritual realm. There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name. Debra Martin, who charged nothing when I met her, is one of the legitimate ones. She relayed messages to me from both parents and both brothers who had passed. Messages in minute detail and nothing general. Specific incidences and experiences that only my family and I knew. And she got NOTHING wrong, so forget about all the "fishing" readings so many charlatans do. One solid hour of confirmations.Â
 I asked questions, and specific, correct answers were given. I challenged her statements and tried to trip her up. Nope. She gave me the correct answers every time. A life changing experience.  And I would have absolutely no reason to make this shiit up and relay it to a bunch of strangers on a talk forum.  No reason at all.
There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name.
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(04-24-2019, 06:48 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:35 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
Tell the story about you seeing the ghost. I vaguely remember a story about a woman( medium) who had contact with the dead and gave you some information that no one could know. I remember most of your stories. I wasn't talking about ghosts. I don't know if "ghosts" exist. I just know that we transition after death to a spiritual realm. There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name. Debra Martin, who charged nothing when I met her, is one of the legitimate ones. She relayed messages to me from both parents and both brothers who had passed. Messages in minute detail and nothing general. Specific incidences and experiences that only my family and I knew. And she got NOTHING wrong, so forget about all the "fishing" readings so many charlatans do. One solid hour of confirmations.Â
 I asked questions, and specific, correct answers were given. I challenged her statements and tried to trip her up. Nope. She gave me the correct answers every time. A life changing experience.  And I would have absolutely no reason to make this shiit up and relay it to a bunch of strangers on a talk forum.  No reason at all. Ok, I do remember this.
Thanks.
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(04-24-2019, 06:50 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:48 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:35 PM)zigbee Wrote: (04-24-2019, 06:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: (04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
Yes, the lifeforce continues after this body dies. I posted on this before and pretty much got asshat responses. I have seen and heard absolute, undeniable proof. And I was not a believer before that. I actually feel sorry for the Thirds out there that think that this miserable existence is all there is.Â
OK, wait for it.
Tell the story about you seeing the ghost. I vaguely remember a story about a woman( medium) who had contact with the dead and gave you some information that no one could know. I remember most of your stories. I wasn't talking about ghosts. I don't know if "ghosts" exist. I just know that we transition after death to a spiritual realm. There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name. Debra Martin, who charged nothing when I met her, is one of the legitimate ones. She relayed messages to me from both parents and both brothers who had passed. Messages in minute detail and nothing general. Specific incidences and experiences that only my family and I knew. And she got NOTHING wrong, so forget about all the "fishing" readings so many charlatans do. One solid hour of confirmations.Â
 I asked questions, and specific, correct answers were given. I challenged her statements and tried to trip her up. Nope. She gave me the correct answers every time. A life changing experience.  And I would have absolutely no reason to make this shiit up and relay it to a bunch of strangers on a talk forum.  No reason at all.
There are a lot of charlatan mediums out there that give the few legitimate ones a bad name.
Didn't have to wait long.
 Even when I was not a believer, I kept an open mind.Â
Some aren't capable of that. I am not a medium but I can predict the next 2 who will deride this. Poor, closed minded fools that they are.
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(04-24-2019, 05:55 PM)Palerider Wrote: I dont know how religion and science can finally agree on one subject *the ghost and the machine* so to speak, and there is a debate whether it's real or not.Â
Fear of being cast out or chided for being delusional?
Yes. I have seen a ghost. Yes I believe there is a spirit that occupies the human machine. Yes I believe this conciousness or life force moves on after human expiration. Â
I believe sometimes there is a "glitch in the matrix " where these two planes cross paths.
I think you're on to something.
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