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Arrest made in UC Berkeley punching/assault..
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(03-02-2019, 02:44 PM)cincydawg Wrote: What is the difference between supporting free speech and not supporting it?

I would guess any college can easily claim they support it, and no one is going to be going around checking with videos and test cases.  Well, yes they will of course.

What does it even mean, free speech?  Can I stand in the middle of campus screaming over a megaphone?

This case is about assault and battery, not free speech.

It is about both.   The assault was the liberal's method of intimidating and shutting up the conservative's leaflet hand out and his ability to converse freely.

You've got to be kidding if you haven't read about how Berkeley went up in flames over conservatives invited into campus to speak and cancellations were presented by admin over fears of violence.  In fact UC Berkeley has had numerous riots over speakers Yiannopoulos comes to mind although he eventually did get to speak.  

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Fo...98203.html

NAZIsm is against free speech.  Some on the left only want it when they say what they want to hear.   Many universities are complicit in this anti free speech by not using security or local police to quell the rioters of whom many are not students but use the campus for shouting, burning, beating, and intimidating.
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(03-02-2019, 02:44 PM)cincydawg Wrote: What is the difference between supporting free speech and not supporting it?

I would guess any college can easily claim they support it, and no one is going to be going around checking with videos and test cases.  Well, yes they will of course.

What does it even mean, free speech?  Can I stand in the middle of campus screaming over a megaphone?

This case is about assault and battery, not free speech.
It's physical intimidation/assault to stifle free speech.
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#15
This is from the cited article:

"Arrest records from the sheriffâ€s office say Greenberg was charged with assault with a deadly weapon and attempting to cause great bodily injury."
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#16
Greenberg. The AB will love taxing his ass in Chino.
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#17
(03-02-2019, 02:44 PM)cincydawg Wrote: What is the difference between supporting free speech and not supporting it?
I would say not reacting violently to the peaceful exercise of speech you happen to disagree with.
I would guess any college can easily claim they support it, and no one is going to be going around checking with videos and test cases.  Well, yes they will of course.

What does it even mean, free speech?  Can I stand in the middle of campus screaming over a megaphone?

This case is about assault and battery, not free speech.

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#18
What does a university do differently to "support free speech" versus what they do now?

How would they demonstrate that they support free speech?
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#19
(03-02-2019, 06:44 PM)cincydawg Wrote: What does a university do differently to "support free speech" versus what they do now?

How would they demonstrate that they support free speech?


Stop turning away guest speakers who have opinions they don't agree with, for starters.
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(03-02-2019, 06:44 PM)cincydawg Wrote: What does a university do differently to "support free speech" versus what they do now?

How would they demonstrate that they support free speech?

In this case it would not seem to apply but when a controversial conservative figure which really means a conservative it is up to the university to ensure the event is as safe as possible by arranging for security, seating etc.  They also set the parameters of who goes where such as protest groups stop at this point etc

Universities such as Berkley are supposed to follow this process but rarely do allowing conservatives to be interrupted and violence at times.  They subsequently have taken the weasel way out and say they cannot secure the event so it gets canceled.
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#21
Even when there is a clear threat of violence and added costs of security?

If a speaker is going to speak on university grounds, I think the U has the right to decide yay or nay.

You get hell raisers like that woman who have a clear intent to incite and incense and sell books.
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#22
(03-02-2019, 07:06 PM)cincydawg Wrote: Even when there is a clear threat of violence and added costs of security?

If a speaker is going to speak on university grounds, I think the U has the right to decide yay or nay.  

You get hell raisers like that woman who have a clear intent to incite and incense and sell books.

At a public university, yes.  You can't allow hooligans to stifle free speech.
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#23
Obviously the University can offer this to conservatives to speak as guaranteed by first amendment as Milo Yiannopoulos DID make an appearance and spoke at UC Berkeley.  It's all about choice and who the University supports.  If you don't see about all Universities as liberal then your head is in the sand.  It's a meritocracy on American Universities today and it's indoctrination at its highest level.
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#24
I disagree. The university has no requirement to feature or host events with some speakers just to pretend they are for free speech.

They can make a determination depending on the situation without being forced to do something ridiculous by some EO.
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