(11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:45 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:25 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 06:49 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-08-2019, 06:26 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: I asked you three questions. You appeared to answer the first one.  So if someone is smaller than you and they swing on you ca you swing back. A yes or no answer is ok. What if they swing and miss can you still hit them back?? Again a yes or no is ok but please expound on this one.
I don't know how size impacts the law. I assume age and size would be taken into consideration.Â
If someone swings on you, you absolutely have a right to hit them back....multiple times. So even if they do not touch you, you think you have the right to touch them back?? WHy is that??
Because, at the point they take a swing at you they made it very clear they intend to harm you. I would argue that you have a right to swing at somebody even before they take a swing at you in some cases. So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform.
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(11-10-2019, 06:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:45 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:25 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 06:49 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't know how size impacts the law. I assume age and size would be taken into consideration.Â
If someone swings on you, you absolutely have a right to hit them back....multiple times. So even if they do not touch you, you think you have the right to touch them back?? WHy is that??
Because, at the point they take a swing at you they made it very clear they intend to harm you. I would argue that you have a right to swing at somebody even before they take a swing at you in some cases. So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform. OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
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(11-10-2019, 05:28 PM)lrrps21 Wrote: (11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:45 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:25 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 06:49 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't know how size impacts the law. I assume age and size would be taken into consideration.Â
If someone swings on you, you absolutely have a right to hit them back....multiple times. So even if they do not touch you, you think you have the right to touch them back?? WHy is that??
Because, at the point they take a swing at you they made it very clear they intend to harm you. I would argue that you have a right to swing at somebody even before they take a swing at you in some cases. So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
If somebody's taking a swing at another person it usually means they want to harm them in some physical manner. I have no issue with the person defending himself up to the point the other person can't continue to fight regardless if they miss or not. Oh I agree with all you say I am just making a point to Pitch. The judgement of the person being threatened is on them after surveying the situation.
(11-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-10-2019, 06:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:45 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:25 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: So even if they do not touch you, you think you have the right to touch them back?? WHy is that??
Because, at the point they take a swing at you they made it very clear they intend to harm you. I would argue that you have a right to swing at somebody even before they take a swing at you in some cases. So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform. OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us.
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(11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-10-2019, 06:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-08-2019, 07:45 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Because, at the point they take a swing at you they made it very clear they intend to harm you. I would argue that you have a right to swing at somebody even before they take a swing at you in some cases. So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform. OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
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(11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-10-2019, 06:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 11:30 AM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: So wait you are telling me even if they do not harm you, you can punch them if they swing and missed thus they did nt actually hurt you? Then you tell me you can actually swing at someone even if you Pitch think they may try to harm you???  So it is your judgement then??
It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform. OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap.
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(11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: (11-10-2019, 06:37 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: It's not me saying anything. It's the law. I agree with the law.
You would understand if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform. OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
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(11-11-2019, 11:05 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 08:31 PM)Soupcity Kid Wrote: OK so you Pitch get to determine if you feel someone is threatening you or anyone else. I find it funny how you say if the victim was wearing a pretty blue uniform but your post clearly reflect you do not offer the folks in the pretty blue uniform the same.
I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
Right. That's the issue. Cops have much lower standards for beating the hell out of someone, pulling a gun on someone or killing someone, yet all the sheeple just nod in agreement as though it makes sense.  The people who work for citizens have more ability to assault, threaten and kill....because they work for the government and wear a pretty blue uniform.
It's truly baffling.
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(11-11-2019, 11:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:05 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
Right. That's the issue. Cops have much lower standards for beating the hell out of someone, pulling a gun on someone or killing someone, yet all the sheeple just nod in agreement as though it makes sense.  The people who work for citizens have more ability to assault, threaten and kill....because they work for the government and wear a pretty blue uniform.
It's truly baffling. This is due to the type of work the police do.  You act like they are taking orders for a meal, or cutting someone's hair, or fixing an auto. They are dealing with aggressive law breakers who attack and maim and kill.  Seriously, you need to wake up man.
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(11-11-2019, 11:13 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:05 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
Right. That's the issue. Cops have much lower standards for beating the hell out of someone, pulling a gun on someone or killing someone, yet all the sheeple just nod in agreement as though it makes sense.  The people who work for citizens have more ability to assault, threaten and kill....because they work for the government and wear a pretty blue uniform.
It's truly baffling. This is due to the type of work the police do.  You act like they are taking orders for a meal, or cutting someone's hair, or fixing an auto. They are dealing with aggressive law breakers who attack and maim and kill.  Seriously, you need to wake up man.
Our rights don't change because of someone else's job.
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(11-11-2019, 11:43 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:13 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:05 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
Right. That's the issue. Cops have much lower standards for beating the hell out of someone, pulling a gun on someone or killing someone, yet all the sheeple just nod in agreement as though it makes sense.  The people who work for citizens have more ability to assault, threaten and kill....because they work for the government and wear a pretty blue uniform.
It's truly baffling. This is due to the type of work the police do.  You act like they are taking orders for a meal, or cutting someone's hair, or fixing an auto. They are dealing with aggressive law breakers who attack and maim and kill.  Seriously, you need to wake up man.
Our rights don't change because of someone else's job. this is a strawman argument. Noone has argued that they do change.
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(11-11-2019, 11:10 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-11-2019, 11:05 AM)zigbee Wrote: (11-11-2019, 09:31 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:30 PM)zigbee Wrote: (11-10-2019, 09:22 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: I don't determine anything. The law does, so you better make sure you operate within the law.
i would be 100% happy if the yahoos in the blue uniforms operated under the same rules/laws as the rest of us. They have authority you and I do not. Can you arrest someone and cuff them and place them in jail?  Stop them for speeding? Arrest for Carrying meth? No, you cannot.
"Citizen's Arrest" is legal in the US but, in this case, I was referring specifically to shooting/assaulting someone. The average citizen would be in jail/prison if they behaved the way cops do and it's crap. Average citizen or above average citizen or BELOW average citizen doesn't have the authority to do the things the police do. Where do you gain these ideas?  They are incredibly stupid.
Right. That's the issue. Cops have much lower standards for beating the hell out of someone, pulling a gun on someone or killing someone, yet all the sheeple just nod in agreement as though it makes sense.  The people who work for citizens have more ability to assault, threaten and kill....because they work for the government and wear a pretty blue uniform.
It's truly baffling.
When you first started posting, I was open to reading what you have to say in regards to the police. I have many LE friends who boast about some of the stuff you post on. I have since removed them from my life. I agree most cops do abuse their authority in some manner, they speed, their family speed and show PBA card, they lie on grand juries, etc. The issue you seem to have is you are on a forum trying to convince people who believe cops can do no wrong. I think it was cincy who mentioned if he had an issue he wanted to address, he'd do it somewhere it would matter. I agree. Maybe you should run for local government and try to implement the changes you believe need to happen.
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