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(08-19-2019, 07:38 PM)zigbee Wrote: Hmmmm, this incident sound a little more serious than wannabe protesters on some campus somewhere:
In July, self-identified Antifa supporter Willem Van Spronsen attacked an ICE detention facility in Washington with "incendiary devices" while armed with a rifle. Although he was shot and killed by police without harming anyone, he wrote in a manifesto that he planned to "take action against the forces of evil," and described ICE detention centers as "concentration camps."
Gosh, it's almost as if someone's rhetoric may have played a role here. Nah. Â
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I saw a video from today (I believe) wherein a woman was asking prominent Democrats to condemn antifa. Some of them claimed to not know what antifa is. A couple of others said they condemn violence, but couldn't bring themselves to condemn antifa specifically.
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"Self identified" Antifa supporter. Um yeah, that's really my point. A one off dude with an ax to grind about ICE attacks ICE and pretends to be Antifa, probably never had any association with anyone from Antifa in his life, just sounded cool.
Anyone can pretend. Outside these "protests" in Portland, they seem pretty much nonexistent to me. I'm sure some groups exist, sort of like the KKK exists.
If they get jailed for committing crimes, they will disappear soon enough. My point is this is not some huge organization capable of DOING very much. I don't think we'll even remember the name in 5 years, or whenever Trump leaves office.
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(08-20-2019, 05:09 AM)cincydawg Wrote: "Self identified" Antifa supporter. Um yeah, that's really my point. A one off dude with an ax to grind about ICE attacks ICE and pretends to be Antifa, probably never had any association with anyone from Antifa in his life, just sounded cool.
Anyone can pretend. Outside these "protests" in Portland, they seem pretty much nonexistent to me. I'm sure some groups exist, sort of like the KKK exists.
If they get jailed for committing crimes, they will disappear soon enough. My point is this is not some huge organization capable of DOING very much. I don't think we'll even remember the name in 5 years, or whenever Trump leaves office.
The 69-year-old armed man killed by Washington state police as he attacked a local Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center Saturday sent a manifesto to friends the day before the assault in which he wrote "I am Antifa," and was being lionized by members of the leftwing group as a "martyr."
The group Seattle Antifascist Action described assailant Willem Van Spronsen a "good friend and comrade" who "took a stand against the fascist detention center in Tacoma" and "became a martyr who gave his life to the struggle against fascism."
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"He was kind and deeply loved by many communities; we cannot let his death go unanswered," the group wrote in a Saturday Facebook post. "Throughout history we idolize figures like John Brown for their courage to take the ultimate stand against oppression, and today we stand strong in our support for yet another martyr in the struggle against fascism. May his death serve as a call to protest and direct action."
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Here is a list of some of the Groups, People and one city who has funded Antifa.
Also found a article that listed all the violence that they have been a part of including their plan to hurl Dynamite at Police officers in Portland in 2017 before Police rushed in and confiscated it.
Despite what some may think they are a dangerous organization capable of extreme violence and well funded.
Soros has previously given them $100,000 that is documented as has a group who funded Hillary.
They won't go away anytime soon especially if Trump wins 2020 and if he doesn't you can bet they will be around to disrupt and try and silence any public displays of support to those who don't fall under their agenda leading into 2024.
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Cincy, again, you don't seem to actually have a handle on how large and operationally active Antifa really is.
You're welcome to be as dismissive as you'd like, but you're vastly underestimating them.
It is easy to say "well, it's Portland's problem" but as I've said, every reasonably sized city in this country has an active cell. These people are very well funded and cunning in how they communicate (generally through encrypted apps, or at least not on widely available platforms). Just because you don't seem them posting on the Nuthouse doesn't mean they aren't in Columbus, or Cincinnati.
The longer we go without any serious 2020 (D) candidate speaking out against them (could even add mayors, House/Senate members) the stronger they get, the more bold they will become. God knows the media isn't going to portray them for what they really are...rather they'll be propped up as a defense against Trump's "racist" supporters, almost as if they are balancing the scales.
I have lived this circus for several years. I've had 10's of thousands of dollars in property damage actually done, both to my commercial buildings and personal residence. Broken windows, spray painted brick, spray painted windows...to some of us, it's a very real thing. This doesn't even include the cost of armed security for every event they choose to attend.
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I've stated my opinion on them and I stand by it.
There probably are a handful of dangerous people who identify as "Antifa", maybe, but the larger group is obviously poorly organized and really only capable of some minor rioting. And if they exist in Cincinnati somewhere but are never seen, I'd say their impact on anything is pretty obviously nil outside their mom's basement.
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(08-20-2019, 10:21 AM)cincydawg Wrote: I've stated my opinion on them and I stand by it.
There probably are a handful of dangerous people who identify as "Antifa", maybe, but the larger group is obviously poorly organized and really only capable of some minor rioting. And if they exist in Cincinnati somewhere but are never seen, I'd say their impact on anything is pretty obviously nil outside their mom's basement.
I†m not sure who you think you†re convincing, aside from yourself.
You don†t have a clue what you†re talking about, but whatever you do, don†t let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
Carry on.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm voicing my opinion.
People are free to disagree. Antifa is disorganized rabble with perhaps a handful who might be truly dangerous.
Building them up into some kind of well organized massively dangerous operation is a mistake in my view, it confers credibility where it is not warranted and makes them MORE appealing to wannabes. Thus far, all they have managed to some small riots and property destruction and thuggery in Portland in not much of anything anywhere else.
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(08-20-2019, 01:01 PM)cincydawg Wrote: I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm voicing my opinion.
People are free to disagree. Antifa is disorganized rabble with perhaps a handful who might be truly dangerous.
Building them up into some kind of well organized massively dangerous operation is a mistake in my view, it confers credibility where it is not warranted and makes them MORE appealing to wannabes. Thus far, all they have managed to some small riots and property destruction and thuggery in Portland in not much of anything anywhere else. You might want to double check that. They have caused problems in many other cities coast to coast .
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Ocasio-Cortez made her argument on Monday in an Instagram story that includes her driving along a deserted highway and quipping, "many votes here, as you can see."
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"Very efficient way to choose leadership of the country. I mean I canâ€t think of any other way, can you?" Ocasio-Cortez says, before going on to cite a report from New York Magazine that argues the defenses of the system that determines the winner of presidential elections are flawed.
The freshman lawmaker said the Electoral College is a "scam" that has a "racial injustice breakdown" undermining the votes of people of color.
"Due to severe racial disparities in certain states, the Electoral College effectively weighs white voters over voters of color, as apposed to a 'one person, one vote' system where all our votes are counted equally," she says, before pushing back against the argument that eliminating the Electoral College would give big states too much power.
"Could you image if we had this kind democracy-altering 'fairness' provision for literally any other group?" she asks. "If we weighed, for example, black and indigenous voters more because of unfairness?"
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