(07-02-2019, 11:35 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: ^^^^ See... another person attacking Christianity^^^^^^

 
Ah... well played from a usual suspect.

(07-02-2019, 11:37 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:14 AM)somenole Wrote: K9 was trolling.

(07-02-2019, 11:15 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: I'm loving how those that are on the opposite side of religion can't discuss their approach to morality without bashing those that are religious.  It's seemingly impossible to do so for y'all.

"At this point in the history of civilization, my subjective understanding of morality is more refined than that of people living in the BC/early AD times when adults were killing their kids to impact weather patterns.  Morality, subjective as it is, has evolved as humans desire to create civilized societies has progressed.  When people are only living 40 total years, and fighting for survival on a daily basis, morality is viewed much differently."

You really should cite the source of your quote...

  i am the source.  The comment about weather patterns was something that I've read somewhere else, but that's all from my head.

Do humanists believe in nothing? That is a good question, one I've pondered a few times.

I don't know the answer.

(07-02-2019, 11:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:37 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "At this point in the history of civilization, my subjective understanding of morality is more refined than that of people living in the BC/early AD times when adults were killing their kids to impact weather patterns.  Morality, subjective as it is, has evolved as humans desire to create civilized societies has progressed.  When people are only living 40 total years, and fighting for survival on a daily basis, morality is viewed much differently."

You really should cite the source of your quote...

  i am the source.  The comment about weather patterns was something that I've read somewhere else, but that's all from my head.

You use quotations when you state your opinion? The format and the HTML says the comment is a copy and paste. You may have edited the quote, added or removed words. In the future, credit the author/writer/person. Thanks.

(07-02-2019, 11:43 AM)cincydawg Wrote: Do humanists believe in nothing?  That is a good question, one I've pondered a few times.

I don't know the answer.

A lot of them are loopy New Ager types and believe in other spooky things as well. I don't think many are actual atheists. Personally I'd rather deal with Christians and Jews. 
But humanism as it is usually defined would be compatible with atheism and I have to say I mostly agree with it's ideals. That is improving the human condition through  rational non supernatural processes.

(07-02-2019, 11:49 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:37 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "At this point in the history of civilization, my subjective understanding of morality is more refined than that of people living in the BC/early AD times when adults were killing their kids to impact weather patterns.  Morality, subjective as it is, has evolved as humans desire to create civilized societies has progressed.  When people are only living 40 total years, and fighting for survival on a daily basis, morality is viewed much differently."

You really should cite the source of your quote...

  i am the source.  The comment about weather patterns was something that I've read somewhere else, but that's all from my head.

You use quotations when you state your opinion? The format and the HTML says the comment is a copy and paste. You may have edited the quote, added or removed words. In the future, credit the author/writer/person. Thanks.

He copied and pasted his previous post.

In the end I'm an atheist and I have a sense of morality. You say from some god. I say I inherited the tendency through evolution and was further shaped by my environment.

(07-02-2019, 11:27 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: yeah.  Somenole may be right, maybe K9 was trolling.  I can't answer that.

The question was interesting though, trolling or not.  I was curious what people who believe in nothing think.  I'm left wanting.  It's ok.  I've learned I don't always get what I want.

You get what you need.

We all "believe" in something(s) and those beliefs, like our actions, are the result of DNA, parenting and every experience we've had in our lives, even the most insignificant events that we weren't even aware impacted us.  Even during Old Testament times, there were philosophers and other religions that recognized that stoning people to death for petty reasons and "owning" another human being wasn't morally ok.  Somehow they got to that point without Jesus.

I posted Pew Research that shows that blacks are the most religious race/nationality in the US. The attend church the most, pray the most, etc.  According to Christians, that should make them the most moral, yet there is strong evidence of the opposite.  Why?  Because the minuscule impact of religion on their lives doesn't even move the needle as far as impacting the average black kid-teen-adult's actions.  

We don't control our DNA, where we were born, who our parents were nor the largest majority of the life experiences that define who we are and determine our actions (moral and immoral).  Religion is just one more experience that may have a positive impact or a negative impact, but there's no evidence to show that belief in the Christian god automatically impacts moral behavior in a positive way.

Is it religion or technology that had the most impact on 'morality'.

I think that you can have morals without religion, but find it a little far fetched that we have some built in moral code.

The tribes outside of Eurasia and Northern Africa certainly didn't feign any objection to murder, rape, cannibalism, etc at the time that they were discovered.

(07-02-2019, 12:25 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: I think that you can have morals without religion, but find it a little far fetched that we have some built in moral code.

The tribes outside of Eurasia and Northern Africa certainly didn't feign any objection to murder, rape, cannibalism, etc at the time that they were discovered.

Like you said... morality is subjective.

(07-02-2019, 12:28 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 12:25 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: I think that you can have morals without religion, but find it a little far fetched that we have some built in moral code.

The tribes outside of Eurasia and Northern Africa certainly didn't feign any objection to murder, rape, cannibalism, etc at the time that they were discovered.

Like you said... morality is subjective.

My contention is that western "Athiests" still base their moral code on Judaeo-Christian teachings, since they are only a generation or two removed from the religion, and many of those teachings are still alive and well in their family tradition. 

As we move farther and farther away from religion, we will eventually revert back to the state of the natural man. We are already seeing it all around us. Half a century ago people didn't even lock their doors. Now people are routinely murdered on the streets that we drive down. Some of the houses that we pass are getting robbed. Most of it doesn't even get covered in the news anymore, because it is no longer even shocking to us. We have just gotten used to it.

(07-02-2019, 12:34 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 12:28 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 12:25 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: I think that you can have morals without religion, but find it a little far fetched that we have some built in moral code.

The tribes outside of Eurasia and Northern Africa certainly didn't feign any objection to murder, rape, cannibalism, etc at the time that they were discovered.

Like you said... morality is subjective.

My contention is that western "Athiests" still base their moral code on Judaeo-Christian teachings, since they are only a generation or two removed from the religion, and many of those teachings are still alive and well in their family tradition. 

No.  I love Shrimp. Well, I mostly love cocktail sauce, I guess.

As we move farther and farther away from religion, we will eventually revert back to the state of the natural man. We are already seeing it all around us. Half a century ago people didn't even lock their doors. Now people are routinely murdered on the streets that we drive down. Some of the houses that we pass are getting robbed. Most of it doesn't even get covered in the news anymore, because it is no longer even shocking to us. We have just gotten used to it.

I don't believe we'll move back to the behavior of African Tribes.  I think "morality" is still being defined as we move away from Christianity.  The perception, for example, that homoseexuality is immoral is being reconsidered and that's a good thing.

People, who have lived in a civilized society, will continue to want to live in a civilized society.

(07-02-2019, 11:51 AM)3rdgensooner Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:49 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:41 AM)P1tchblack Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:37 AM)BoyGenius Wrote:

(07-02-2019, 11:32 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: "At this point in the history of civilization, my subjective understanding of morality is more refined than that of people living in the BC/early AD times when adults were killing their kids to impact weather patterns.  Morality, subjective as it is, has evolved as humans desire to create civilized societies has progressed.  When people are only living 40 total years, and fighting for survival on a daily basis, morality is viewed much differently."

You really should cite the source of your quote...

  i am the source.  The comment about weather patterns was something that I've read somewhere else, but that's all from my head.

You use quotations when you state your opinion? The format and the HTML says the comment is a copy and paste. You may have edited the quote, added or removed words. In the future, credit the author/writer/person. Thanks.

He copied and pasted his previous post.

He didn't copy and paste his previous quote... thanks anyway.