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(06-21-2019, 02:21 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-21-2019, 02:12 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-21-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-21-2019, 09:40 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Again, with all the stories that Pitch posts.......from over the years.......the number of these incidents are a statistical anomaly. Over 8 million daily police encounters, and we have a couple hundred from several years? Given the undoubtedly numerous power hungry/authority mongers that get into law enforcement, I think we are in great shape.
And yes, every abuser of authority should be severely punished.
Well, there are a couple of things to consider:
d) There are also a lot of videos/stories depicting lesser violations of rights that I don't post
e) I'd guess that the large number of interactions with police, which involve behavior that should be unacceptable, are never reported to police, much less make it to the internet and are swept under the rug by police departments where "protecting your own" in the norm.
What are some of the lesser rights that have been violated by LEOs?
 In general, they're the non-violent things. The video i posted of the kid in the orange car, who was stopped for nothing more than a wide turn and ended up in cuffs and having his car searched for no reason or the video of the pastor in mesa who was flat-out lied to/ "intimidated"/threatened for doing nothing wrong. (video below) I assume the video will create mixed feelings among Christians on this board.
What is some of the unacceptable behavior from LEOs that's "swept under the rug"?
Procedural things like manufacturing reasons to search your car, intimidate you or try to get you to do things (providing ID) when you don't have to.
That Pastor Jeff guy went about his business in the correct fashion. He knows the law, stays within it, and is polite to the police. Knowledge is indeed power.
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^^^^^they has a camera and they're looking for their 2 cents worth of fame so they can sue and get $$$$$ ^^^^^
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(06-22-2019, 08:29 AM)dkeener67 Wrote: (06-21-2019, 02:21 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-21-2019, 02:12 PM)BoyGenius Wrote: (06-21-2019, 11:20 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: (06-21-2019, 09:40 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: Again, with all the stories that Pitch posts.......from over the years.......the number of these incidents are a statistical anomaly. Over 8 million daily police encounters, and we have a couple hundred from several years? Given the undoubtedly numerous power hungry/authority mongers that get into law enforcement, I think we are in great shape.
And yes, every abuser of authority should be severely punished.
Well, there are a couple of things to consider:
d) There are also a lot of videos/stories depicting lesser violations of rights that I don't post
e) I'd guess that the large number of interactions with police, which involve behavior that should be unacceptable, are never reported to police, much less make it to the internet and are swept under the rug by police departments where "protecting your own" in the norm.
What are some of the lesser rights that have been violated by LEOs?
 In general, they're the non-violent things. The video i posted of the kid in the orange car, who was stopped for nothing more than a wide turn and ended up in cuffs and having his car searched for no reason or the video of the pastor in mesa who was flat-out lied to/ "intimidated"/threatened for doing nothing wrong. (video below) I assume the video will create mixed feelings among Christians on this board.
What is some of the unacceptable behavior from LEOs that's "swept under the rug"?
Procedural things like manufacturing reasons to search your car, intimidate you or try to get you to do things (providing ID) when you don't have to.
That Pastor Jeff guy went about his business in the correct fashion. He knows the law, stays within it, and is polite to the police. Knowledge is indeed power.
Knowledge can be power, but shouldn't you be able to trust that cops know the law and aren't going to infringe on your rights if you don't know it?
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You should be able to trust the cops or any profession to know their rules. However, too many people are lazy when it comes to that sort of thing. Hell just last Friday I sold a piece of property that was in my own revocable trust, and I am the trustee. That means I can do anything I want with the proceeds. I got into a pissing match with the title company because they wouldnâ€t wire the proceeds to my bank unless it was to a separate trust checking or savings account that matched. I talked to two separate people over there. This is not rocket science, and they have dealt with trusts Iâ€m sure in the past. Worst part about it was they were belligerent when I tried to explain it to them. They didnâ€t want to hear it. People who chose to remain ignorant, especially at someone elseâ€s expense, drive me crazy. They could have googled it and got an answer in a minute or two. I even called them ahead of time to give them a warning. Lazy asses.
So I had them cut me a cashiers check and I deposited it in my checking account. It took me about one minute. I didnâ€t need my trust documents, nor did I even show any ID. Not a big deal really, but Iâ€m just pointing out that a lot of so-called professionals donâ€t know the rules that pertain to their own profession.
In defense of those cops, they didnâ€t arrest him probably because they knew he was right and they were most likely embarrassed that he was smarter than they were about the rules of their own profession.
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(06-23-2019, 10:58 AM)dkeener67 Wrote: You should be able to trust the cops or any profession to know their rules. However, too many people are lazy when it comes to that sort of thing. Hell just last Friday I sold a piece of property that was in my own revocable trust, and I am the trustee. That means I can do anything I want with the proceeds. I got into a pissing match with the title company because they wouldnâ€t wire the proceeds to my bank unless it was to a separate trust checking or savings account that matched. I talked to two separate people over there. This is not rocket science, and they have dealt with trusts Iâ€m sure in the past. Worst part about it was they were belligerent when I tried to explain it to them. They didnâ€t want to hear it. People who chose to remain ignorant, especially at someone elseâ€s expense, drive me crazy. They could have googled it and got an answer in a minute or two. I even called them ahead of time to give them a warning. Lazy asses.
So I had them cut me a cashiers check and I deposited it in my checking account. It took me about one minute. I didnâ€t need my trust documents, nor did I even show any ID. Not a big deal really, but Iâ€m just pointing out that a lot of so-called professionals donâ€t know the rules that pertain to their own profession.
In defense of those cops, they didnâ€t arrest him probably because they knew he was right and they were most likely embarrassed that he was smarter than they were about the rules of their own profession.
There are a lot of possible explanations for the behavior of bad cops. Laziness may be one, but I don't believe it's the primary reason. The much bigger issue is the power that police have, their willingness to misuse it and a lack of consequences when they do because they are protected by their departments. We are taught, froma very yoing age, that police ate the good guys and we can trust them. All too often, that is unfortunately not true.
These kinds of police, those that are willing to steamroll your rights, I believe, are a LOT more common than any of think. I bet I've been stopped by police a total of 5x in my life and two of them were completely unconstitutional.
The video of the Boston police harassing the black guy (one good/one bad) i suspect is more reflective of reality, not the "1%" that we hear thrown around. Unlike other professions, a bad cop and legitimately ruin/end your life with ease.
How many lives were ruined by this one cop?
FLORIDIANS ARE SUING A COP FIRED FOR PLANTING DRUGS IN THEIR VEHICLES
Thanks to the diligence of one assistant state attorney, 119 cases were thrown out and the officer is under state investigation.
In October 2017, Derek Benefield was driving in the Florida Panhandleâ€s Jackson County when he was pulled over for allegedly swerving into the opposite lane. Once at the car, sheriffâ€s deputy Zachary Wester claimed to smell marijuana and conducted a search of the vehicle, which, he reported, turned up methamphetamine and marijuana. Despite insisting the drugs werenâ€t his, Benefield was arrested, charged $1,100 in fines and court fees, and sentenced to one year in county jail.*
Benefield was seven months into his sentence when, in September 2018, the state attorneyâ€s office dropped his case and those of 118 others. Largely thanks to the diligence of one assistant state attorney, Wester was suspected of routinely planting drugs during traffic stops over his two years in the department.
Last month, Benefield and eight others filed a federal lawsuit accusing Wester and two other deputies of planting drugs and making illegal arrests, and the Jackson County sheriffâ€s office of negligence. The suit accuses all the defendants of violating the individuals†civil and constitutional rights through illegal search, seizure, detention, prosecution, and incarceration. The plaintiffs†attorney, Marie Mattox, told The Appeal the suit represents “only the tip of the iceberg,†and she plans to add another 18 to 20 plaintiffs. At least 37 people have filed lawsuits against Wester at the state level. The sheriffâ€s office declined to comment on the lawsuit.
A criminal investigation into Westerâ€s behavior was opened last August by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, but no charges have been filed. Mattox said that, for the first time, three of her clients were subpoenaed for interviews in connection with that investigation in early June.
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https://theappeal.org/floridians-are-sui...-vehicles/
Not "anti-cop".  Long story short... a guy goes unconscious on a traveling bus. Medics board the bus and revive him. Cops try to encourage him to go to the hospital to get checked out.... then it gets crazy.
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Fortunately the good guys get to go home unharmed. It could have been worse.
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Protecting and Serving at its finest....
Land of the free my ass.
(06-24-2019, 11:28 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: Not "anti-cop".  Long story short... a guy goes unconscious on a traveling bus. Medics board the bus and revive him. Cops try to encourage him to go to the hospital to get checked out.... then it gets crazy.
Cop is being very polite... suspect is asked about the bulge... suspect is asked if it's a gun... suspect says it a phone but refused to lift his shirt to show what he had on his person... for some reason, the cop is distracted and viola... as a result of a sloppy policing, a shootout breaks out putting everyone involved, including paramedics, in danger.
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P1tchblack Wrote:Not "anti-cop".  Long story short... a guy goes unconscious on a traveling bus. Medics board the bus and revive him. Cops try to encourage him to go to the hospital to get checked out.... then it gets crazy.
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You do realize that this video completely negates your argument about cops being too aggressive when people don't comply, or "listen" as you call it.
If you are a cop and someone acts like this, you would be a complete idiot not to assume they have a firearm....and then use whatever force is required to get them to "listen".
DANGEROUS WHEN PROVOKED
(06-24-2019, 01:31 PM)TakeThePoints Wrote: P1tchblack Wrote:Not "anti-cop".  Long story short... a guy goes unconscious on a traveling bus. Medics board the bus and revive him. Cops try to encourage him to go to the hospital to get checked out.... then it gets crazy.
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You do realize that this video completely negates your argument about cops being too aggressive when people don't comply, or "listen" as you call it.
If you are a cop and someone acts like this, you would be a complete idiot not to assume they have a firearm....and then use whatever force is required to get them to "listen".
If i ever said "All" cops..... you'd be correct.  In all situations, there's reasonable behavior for cops. In this case, the cops were too restrained and were very fortunate to be alive.
There are plenty of cases, like the video above (college student)Â and directly below, where cops behavior is unacceptable:
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P1tchblack Wrote:Protecting and Serving at its finest....
Land of the free my ass.
The officer couldn't have been more polite. The black dude, as is the case in most of these incidences, believes he is above the law and does not have to comply with an officers commands. He is a complete *****, as is anyone who would side with him.
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