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Charlottesville Confederate Statue Update
#49
(05-02-2019, 12:52 PM)BoyGenius Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Can this thread be locked.  I don't see any reason that Zigbee and Hightop77 can't continue their discussion offline.

Zig can lock it is he wishes. Thanks for the suggestion.

Is my "suggestion" the reason I received a warning from Zigbeenuthouse staff?
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#50
(05-02-2019, 12:30 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 08:13 AM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 07:37 AM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-01-2019, 09:18 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-01-2019, 08:47 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: Pointing out that black people are more prone to violent crime is not the same thing as attributing it to their melanin content, just as pointing out that a pit bull is more likely to attack a human than a hairless chihuahua is not the same thing as attributing it to their fir coat.

Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.
You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.
Make America Honest Again
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#51
hehe......
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#52
(05-02-2019, 12:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Can this thread be locked.  I don't see any reason that Zigbee and Hightop77 can't continue their discussion offline.

Before the thread is locked.

What school did you attend?
DC is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is basic voter stupidity and economic ignorance.
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#53
(05-02-2019, 08:57 AM)stxbuck Wrote:
(05-01-2019, 02:47 PM)va1bucksfan1 Wrote:
(05-01-2019, 12:57 PM)stxbuck Wrote: people are racist for posting crap from sites like Amren or immediately assuming someone is a criminal/negative influence due to the melanin content of their skin.

Are people also racist for accusing others indiscriminately of such things?

This post is 3v level stupid. I realize that you are unwilling or incapable of actually articulating your own viewpoints in this thread/subject, but just jump on anyone stating a viewpoint different than HT's like a particularly stupid mynah bird.

Nah, I just like pointing out that those, like you, who are always telling everyone else that they're racist are typically the ones who themselves are the most constantly fixated on skin color.
 
Sorry you can't handle what you dish out to others.
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#54
(05-02-2019, 03:38 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Can this thread be locked.  I don't see any reason that Zigbee and Hightop77 can't continue their discussion offline.

Before the thread is locked.

What school did you attend?

LOL  Smile
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#55
(05-02-2019, 03:38 PM)lrrps21 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:40 PM)P1tchblack Wrote: Can this thread be locked.  I don't see any reason that Zigbee and Hightop77 can't continue their discussion offline.

Before the thread is locked.

What school did you attend?


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#56
(05-02-2019, 03:27 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:30 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 08:13 AM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 07:37 AM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-01-2019, 09:18 PM)zigbee Wrote: Instead of dancing around with silly analogies that make no sense just ask him.  We are not talking about dogs.  We are talking about a race of humans.

The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.
You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.   Big Grin
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#57
(05-02-2019, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 03:27 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:30 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 08:13 AM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 07:37 AM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: The analogy is apt. Even if he said yes to your dumb question, that's not the same thing as attributing  it to their melanin content. He might attribute it to their aggressive disposition, combined with their average IQ being under 85. The melanin content is not relevant to their aggressive disposition, just as the pit bull's fir coat is not relevant to theirs. 

Kind of sad that the two "educators" can't engage in debate without constantly invoking logical fallacy. That should be your first clue that your argument sucks.
You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.   Big Grin

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring.

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.
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#58
(05-02-2019, 04:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 03:27 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:30 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 08:13 AM)zigbee Wrote: You analogy is pretty freaking stupid.

I don't know your profession to compare, but I do engage without invoking any fallacy as you put it.   And it's your opinion on arguments sucking.  I think your's does as well.   I asked a question and you put out this garbage.   Seriously, your insults on here are getting old.

You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.   Big Grin

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring.

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

"This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools."

"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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#59
(05-02-2019, 05:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 04:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 03:27 PM)zigbee Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 12:30 PM)Brutus Buckeye Wrote: You are flogging the melanin straw man for the 20 billionth time, and have the audacity to attack my debating skills?

If you can't debate your position without constantly deflecting with nonsensical logical fallacies, then that should be your first clue that your argument sucks. 

Just like dog breeds the races of man are wired differently than  each other with regards to average IQ, disposition, etc. and it has absolutely nothing to do with melanin content specifically.

I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.   Big Grin

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring.

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

"This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools."


yah, nice try.  What you want us to believe is that, two thousand kids (1k black and 1k white) who were raised/cultured/educated identically, that 100% of the time, the white kid would end up scoring higher on an IQ test.
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#60
(05-02-2019, 05:19 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 05:13 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 04:57 PM)P1tchblack Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 04:25 PM)Hightop77 Wrote:
(05-02-2019, 03:27 PM)zigbee Wrote: I have debated my position countless times and I NEVER said that I believe melanin has a thing to do with it.  I said for YOU to ask HighTop what he thinks.  You have piggy backed on his tail so you ask him what he thinks is the reason for blacks having a high percent of crimes committed etc.    I received your explanation on breeding, etc and I reject it.   Both blacks and whites are intermixed so it makes actually no sense at all.  Dog breeds are bred entirely of the same breeds.  Man is intermixed. 

Now, back to topic.   Ask HighTop why he thinks blacks commit these crimes and live an unruly life at a high %.   No strawman at all.

I have answered this question multiple times.  Blacks have a lower average IQ than other races, they have less future orientation ability, and are more unstable emotionally.  They act instinctively and impulsively without considering the consequences of their actions.  This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools.  This is why blacks don't handle money well, have all their kids out of wedlock and drop out of school and why they commit more criminal acts.  It goes on and on.  Of course even though all that is based in reality and is well supported, instead of acknowledging it, you will bring up the rare exceptions like Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell. which is your usual straw man tactic.  Or your will bring up the behavior of low end white people which is another straw man tactic.  See I saved you the trouble.  Now leave me out of your debates.  Go ahead and take your beating from Brutus like a man.   Big Grin

It's funny that you keep going back to this white/black IQ thing as though it's unquestioned fact, when things like education level (clearly an external influence) have been shown to impact IQ test scoring.

As always, you believe what you want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't align with what you want to be true.

"This is why putting black kids next to white kids in schools did not elevate the black kids and instead destroyed the schools."


yah, nice try.  What you want us to believe is that, two thousand kids (1k black and 1k white) who were raised/cultured/educated identically, that 100% of the time, the white kid would end up scoring higher on an IQ test.

Straw Man
"Hightop can reduce an entire message board of men to mudsharks. It's actually pretty funny to watch."


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