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My only true concern is teacher's unions because of the impact on kids/education.  I think competition will eventually do away with non-monopoly/private sector unions.

Union membership falls to record low of 10.3 percent

The percentage of salaried workers in labor unions fell 0.2 points in 2019 to a record low of 10.3 percent, almost half the 20.3 percent rate in 1983 and a 2-point drop from a decade earlier, according to data the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released Wednesday.

Membership in unions, a key base of support for Democrats, remained significantly higher in the public sector, where local unions for police, teachers and firefighters helped push rates up to 33.6 percent, compared with just 6.2 percent in the private sector.

With $1,095 in median weekly earnings, union workers out-earned nonunion workers' median $892 salaries by 22.7 percent.

Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research at Cornell University, said the decline followed naturally from anti-labor policies in the Trump administration.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/47940...03-percent

I really don't get the need for unions in the public sector.

Unions serve a purpose. it's too bad they got over inflated egos and delusions of power.

Good news. Let's get it to 0% in my lifetime.

(01-23-2020, 08:24 AM)P1tchblack Wrote: [ -> ]My only true concern is teacher's unions because of the impact on kids/education.  I think competition will eventually do away with non-monopoly/private sector unions.

Union membership falls to record low of 10.3 percent

The percentage of salaried workers in labor unions fell 0.2 points in 2019 to a record low of 10.3 percent, almost half the 20.3 percent rate in 1983 and a 2-point drop from a decade earlier, according to data the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released Wednesday.

Membership in unions, a key base of support for Democrats, remained significantly higher in the public sector, where local unions for police, teachers and firefighters helped push rates up to 33.6 percent, compared with just 6.2 percent in the private sector.

With $1,095 in median weekly earnings, union workers out-earned nonunion workers' median $892 salaries by 22.7 percent.

Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research at Cornell University, said the decline followed naturally from anti-labor policies in the Trump administration.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/47940...03-percent

These people are so dishonest that it's disgusting.  Union membership has been on a steady decline for ages now.  All kinds of factors, including the nature of work people do.  

I'm going to guess this clown mentioned something about "right to work" policies.  Dude, if you have a problem with people making their own decisions that's a YOU (you as in the union itself) problem, not Trump's problem.

(01-23-2020, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't get the need for unions in the public sector.

Unions serve a purpose.  it's too bad they got over inflated egos and delusions of power.

The purpose they serve in the public sector is to provide another mechanism to keep Democrats in power. 

Other than serving to undermine a free market economy, what purpose do you think they sedve?

Your first sentence, while true, only indicates the sheer hypocrisy of the Democrat party. The Democrat party is based on the idea of 'let the government help you, we have your best interests at heart', yet they push the need for unions, which are designed to protect worker interests from being overrun.....by the people that say they have your best interests at heart.

I think they serve a purpose of safety and recourse. Are they needed as broadly as they once were? Not by any means. Again, I don't necessarily judge their purpose by the inflated self importance that they currently work under.

(01-23-2020, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't get the need for unions in the public sector.

Unions serve a purpose.  it's too bad they got over inflated egos and delusions of power.

Agree.  When the "company" is essentially the taxpayer, and there's no one at the table representing their interests?  That's when there's a problem.  Now that said, many people are drawn to and stay in those jobs precisely because they are union jobs.  So untangling public sector unions would be a chore to say the least.  Say a guy's been teaching 30 years and close to retirement.  He's been living his adult life counting on a pension as being a part of his retirement plan, etc...  

This is one problem with growing govt (fed, state and local), you then have unions sprout up and now how do you get out of this?  It's like a govt program, once you start it there's basically no turning back.

Out here in Oregon (particularly around Portland) the workers at fast food restaurants are unionizing.

Every union needs to be crushed. 75 years ago there was probably some usefulness for a union. Today, absolutely none.

(01-23-2020, 09:39 AM)Beastdog Wrote: [ -> ]The purpose they serve in the public sector is to provide another mechanism to keep Democrats in power. 

Other than serving to undermine a free market economy, what purpose do you think they sedve?

edit:  I just typed up a long response and POOF...  GONE.  No idea what just happened.  

I'm not retyping the whole thing.  I'll just say I disagree that there's no need for private sector unions.  They still have a role.  They also force non union places to compete.  Get rid of them and watch workers once again get steam rolled.  Now is every industry conducive to union practices and policies?  No, of course not.  Like the fast food example.  I mean seriously, that's absurd.  etc...

I personally like the uniformity of a union.  I know where I stand.  No chance of the boss' 22 year old nephew "Chip" getting the better job over someone with higher seniority.  No chance of the new hot dish, that's been there for 3 months that's also coincidentally blowing the boss, getting the nicer gig either.   Everyone knows where they stand.  Kissing the boss' ass aint getting you anywhere.

Good workers have no need for unions. Bad workers might, though.  The examples you cite scarlett are garbage. That ***** just doesn't happen in the real world. At least I haven't seen it in my 30+ years in the work force. Uniformity sucks, because it provides no rewards for the better performers

(01-23-2020, 09:39 AM)Beastdog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2020, 09:36 AM)Alabuckeye Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't get the need for unions in the public sector.

Unions serve a purpose.  it's too bad they got over inflated egos and delusions of power.

The purpose they serve in the public sector is to provide another mechanism to keep Democrats in power. 

Other than serving to undermine a free market economy, what purpose do you think they serve?

Both comments... spot on.

(01-23-2020, 10:14 AM)Beastdog Wrote: [ -> ]Good workers have no need for unions. Bad workers might, though.  The examples you cite scarlett are garbage. That ***** just doesn't happen in the real world. At least I haven't seen it in my 30+ years in the work force. Uniformity sucks, because it provides no rewards for the better performers

THAT is PRECISELY what happens in the real world, and you have no recourse as you stew on it.  None.  

Look, if a guy has been there 5 years longer than me I have no argument.  He's getting the job and I am absolutely fine with that.  

Not everyone is a climber.  Some people are cool knowing that they aren't getting the company car and yearly bonus.  They trade it in for better base pay, benefits and a uniform work policy that doesn't reward favorites/ass kissers.  Which do exist in the real world.  Now is everyone that gets ahead in the world an ass kisser?  NO.  I'm not saying that.  I'm just saying that, well....  I like knowing where I stand.  

It's not for everyone.  That's why I am totally fine with right to work.  You should not be forced to join a union if you don't want to

Once we get rid of public K-12 the teacher's unions will disappear.

(01-23-2020, 09:57 AM)ScarletHayes Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2020, 09:39 AM)Beastdog Wrote: [ -> ]The purpose they serve in the public sector is to provide another mechanism to keep Democrats in power. 

Other than serving to undermine a free market economy, what purpose do you think they sedve?

edit:  I just typed up a long response and POOF...  GONE.  No idea what just happened.  

I'm not retyping the whole thing.  I'll just say I disagree that there's no need for private sector unions.  They still have a role.  They also force non union places to compete.  Get rid of them and watch workers once again get steam rolled.  Now is every industry conducive to union practices and policies?  No, of course not.  Like the fast food example.  I mean seriously, that's absurd.  etc...

I personally like the uniformity of a union.  I know where I stand.  No chance of the boss' 22 year old nephew "Chip" getting the better job over someone with higher seniority.  No chance of the new hot dish, that's been there for 3 months that's also coincidentally blowing the boss, getting the nicer gig either.   Everyone knows where they stand.  Kissing the boss' ass aint getting you anywhere.

Want to bet? Our manufacturing facility in Columbus is unionized. I have seen a great deal of theatrics and politicking when it comes to advancement nonsense.
If you want to bid out of your present job and into a new posted one, you have a set time to qualify on the job. The VP here has two kids that are supervisors here, I have seen them railroad a number of people, impede their advancement, because their father has some axe or old grudge to grind from when he was in the union. Union supervisors and management have their favorites and hold grudges, promote incompetence and hold people back just like the rest of the world. 

Overtime is a huge carrot to dangle in front of the "pet' employees and kissing ass gets them a lot of it.

They been slowly dying since the 80's